SEC Tourney - Double Bye

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We are one month away from the first round of the SEC Tournament. A key part of winning this tourney is getting the double-bye and reducing the amount of games played. This also prevents your team from getting worn out before the more important tournament that follows.

Looking at conference standings now, we're almost a lock at this point to get a bye (top 8 seeds). At 8-3 in conference, we have a 3-game lead over the 9th and 10th ranked teams (Miss St. and Vandy) who are at 5-6.

It feels like a 95%+ chance that Alabama and Auburn will get two of the double byes. And it's more likely than not that Florida will get the third bye based on their schedule and how they're playing. That leaves one final double bye. Who is in the running? 5 teams: A&M, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Tenn, and UK. We have a 2-game lead over Tenn and UK (UK has tiebreaker over us) and we have a 1-game lead over Ole Miss and Mizzou (we have tiebreaker over both of them). That Tennessee game is going to be huge as it's a 2-game swing and it gives someone the tie-breaker.

If we finish 5-2 (13-5) we'll almost certainly get that 4th double bye. I'd guess that we'll likely get it with a 4-3 finish too as I don't see the 4 teams we're competing against only losing 1 game the rest of the way.

If you're looking for teams to root against, root against our 4 competitors for that double bye. It increases our chances of winning the SEC tournament and gives our boys some rest before the Big Dance.
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Thanks for the breakdown. Good points to consider.

I would be fine with Buzz rolling out all backups and coaching them as hard as possible, but giving the main guys rest. The big dance matters and I think we would have lost to Nebraska last year if we didn't have that Sunday before to rest. Sec tournament helps no teams.
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They're also all potential competition for seeding anyway if we're daring to dream.
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Looks like we're in a pretty good spot to get that double bye as long as we keep plying like we have been lately

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bobinator said:

They're also all potential competition for seeding anyway if we're daring to dream.

Agree. Especially Tenn and UK.
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jeremy said:

Thanks for the breakdown. Good points to consider.

I would be fine with Buzz rolling out all backups and coaching them as hard as possible, but giving the main guys rest. The big dance matters and I think we would have lost to Nebraska last year if we didn't have that Sunday before to rest. Sec tournament helps no teams.

I personally would still love to play our guys to win the SEC tourney. If we get the seed we want in March Madness, let's say a 2 seed, we should have a more favorable first round draw. Still don't want to be tired for that game but better than being tired going in to an 8/9 or 7/10 matchup.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is the SECT bracket format this year now that we have 16 teams in the league? I'm guessing it's not a simple 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, 3 vs. 14, etc. format.

Yes...I could look this up myself, but I'm lazy and I enjoy the witty banter here on TexAgs. ;-)

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I don't really buy that playing in the SEC Championship Game is going to make a difference on how you perform in the NCAA Tournament.

2024: Florida and Auburn both lose opening round games
2023: we lose to Penn State but Alabama easily wins their first weekend games
2022: We don't make the NCAA Tournament but win our first NIT game (which was on Tuesday), and then make it to the NIT finals, Tennessee wins their first game against Longwood but is upset by Michigan
2021: LSU wins their first round game but then falls to 1 seed Michigan, Alabama wins both of their opening weekend games
2019: Tennessee and Auburn both win both of their first weekend games
2018: Kentucky wins both of their first weekend games, Tennessee wins the first but is upset by Loyola-Chicago
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imagine drawing up a 16 team bracket as absurdly as humanly possible and you've got it
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Luke The Drifter said:

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the SECT bracket format this year now that we have 16 teams in the league? I'm guessing it's not a simple 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, 2 vs. 14, etc. format.

Yes...I could look this up myself, but I'm lazy and I enjoy the witty banter here on TexAgs. ;-)



Round 1: 9-16 play - top 8 have byes.
Round 2: Winners of 9-16 play 5-8, 1-4 have another bye
Round 3: Winners from round 2 play 1-4
Round 4: Semifinals
Round 5 (How is this **** still happening): Final

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They need to think more out of the box to try and maximize bids. Have the worst teams gets the double byes and have all of the best teams eliminate each other at the beginning to increase the chances that someone that wasn't going to get a bid otherwise claims the auto-bid.

Basically reverse what they're currently doing.
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bobinator said:

They need to think more out of the box to try and maximize bids. Have the worst teams gets the double byes and have all of the best teams eliminate each other at the beginning to increase the chances that someone that wasn't going to get a bid otherwise claims the auto-bid.

Basically reverse what they're currently doing.


I tend to agree - why make it next to impossible for a lower seed team to steal an auto bid? One would think Sankey would have figured this out given his comments about expanding the NCAAT or at least removing some of the autobids from the lower tier conferences.
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That Tennessee game is huge. And they have a full week to prepare for us.
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If we have a 2 seed locked up, I'd rather lose that first sec tourney game and rest and focus on the tourney
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For the first time ever you get a perfect number of team 16 and they still have to use some weird bye or double bye! You have the multiple of 4…
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Setting up your best teams to win and not play 4 games in 4 days is much smarter than having a nice clean 16 team tournament though.
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While it would be cool to win a conference title, our history has shown it doesn't seem to make a difference in seeding or even making the tournament (assuming a team doesn't need an autobid).
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Kansas Kid said:

While it would be cool to win a conference title, our history has shown it doesn't seem to make a difference in seeding or even making the tournament (assuming a team doesn't need an autobid).

Yeah, it seems the committee has the field set Saturday night before the championship games (and accounts for how auto-bids would change things). That doesn't mean that we wouldn't move up a seed line though if we knocked off a Tennessee and Florida on Friday and Saturday.
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Several have made the point that the SEC tourney doesn't really matter much and for the top 6-8 teams it's probably true. Being seeded 4 or better in the SEC tourney does matter tho imo since it likely reduces game wear and tear and injury potential by one fulll game.
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Have to get down to four…so 9-16 then winners play 5-8, then winners play 1-4 and winners to semis then finals. The seeding would be 9/16 to the 8 through 12/13 to the 5. Then 8 plays 1 to 5 playing 4…

Didn't look it up though, coz I'm lazy…4+4+4+2+1
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greg.w.h said:

Have to get down to four…so 9-16 then winners play 5-8, then winners play 1-4 and winners to semis then finals. The seeding would be 9/16 to the 8 through 12/13 to the 5. Then 8 plays 1 to 5 playing 4…

Didn't look it up though, coz I'm lazy…4+4+4+2+1
Have you ever watched the WCC Tourney

1st round
11 vs 10

2nd round
9 vs 8
7 vs 10/11 winner

3rd round
6 vs 7/10/11 winner
5 vs 8/9 winner

4th round
3 vs 6/7/10/11 winner
4 vs 5/8/9 winner

5th round
2 vs 3/6/7/10/11 winner
1 vs 4/5/8/9 winner

Championship

And that's how St Mary's and Gonzaga seem to always play in the Championship Game. Only have to play one game so no chance for wild upsets

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I dont see the coach that will call a time out with 30 seconds left and up 20 doing anything but playing to win.
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bobinator said:

They need to think more out of the box to try and maximize bids. Have the worst teams gets the double byes and have all of the best teams eliminate each other at the beginning to increase the chances that someone that wasn't going to get a bid otherwise claims the auto-bid.

Basically reverse what they're currently doing.


We already know that conference tournaments don't matter in whether you get in the tournament or not. It only matters if you win it. Your resume is what it is the time conference tournaments start.
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That's my point, make it easier for the bad teams to steal the auto bid.
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Round 4: Semifinals

Round 5 (How is this **** still happening): Final

And maybe it's just me, but why in the world would you have your Championship Game on Selection Sunday?

Granted the Committee probably already has their minds made up, but they really can't judge on the full SEC body of work, because the Championship Game is on Sunday.

If you had your Championship Game on Saturday, that also gives the teams in the finals an extra day of rest for the real Championship.

BTW, this year's SEC Mens Basketball Tournament Championship Game is on Sunday, March 16 at 12:00 pm.

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You're not wrong.
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The SEC tournament is one of my favorite events to attend.

For the visual learners here is this year's bracket. Probably the first time in SEC history that the Wednesday games will have NCAA tournament team locks going into the SEC tournament.

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ColleyvilleAg06 said:


WTF!
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Big XII tournament will feature the same structure as SEC but start a day earlier. It's always a fun time, I would recommend taking it in sometime. Attending it now is like going to a random 1st round NCAA tournament, I don't have a true dog in the fight and just want to watch good basketball with something on the line
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ColleyvilleAg06 said:




NOW is that is how they should do this SECT to protect the best teams from injuries. Top-2 seeds play 2 games Max. And so forth down the line.

Meanwhile cellar dwellers have to win like 7 consecutive games in 7 days to steal a bid they don't deserve. Good luck with that!
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rausr said:

Quote:

Round 4: Semifinals

Round 5 (How is this **** still happening): Final

And maybe it's just me, but why in the world would you have your Championship Game on Selection Sunday?

Granted the Committee probably already has their minds made up, but they really can't judge on the full SEC body of work, because the Championship Game is on Sunday.

If you had your Championship Game on Saturday, that also gives the teams in the finals an extra day of rest for the real Championship.

BTW, this year's SEC Mens Basketball Tournament Championship Game is on Sunday, March 16 at 12:00 pm.




My guess is the sec tournament is played when it is due to tv slots

I agree it's stupid to finish it on Sunday when selections are going to be made later tgst day

But, really, how hard is it for the committee to take all games into consideration through Saturday and make their selections

It seems like they don't even do that much

Just have teams slotted and if others behind them win some tourney games you can move them up if you think they deserve to be moved up then just move the teams they move ahead of down

It's not freakin rocket science

Committe a ts like it has the toughest job in the world

But I bet a bunch of avid college hoops fans could do just as Good of a job if not better


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Pumpkinhead said:

ColleyvilleAg06 said:




NOW is that is how they should do this SECT to protect the best teams from injuries. Top-2 seeds play 2 games Max. And so forth down the line.

Meanwhile cellar dwellers have to win like 7 consecutive games in 7 days to steal a bid they don't deserve. Good luck with that!



This is their format with "only" 14 teams.

In theory with 16 teams, the bottom 4 would have to win 8 in 8 days. Better have a deep bench!
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NyAggie said:

rausr said:

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Round 4: Semifinals

Round 5 (How is this **** still happening): Final

And maybe it's just me, but why in the world would you have your Championship Game on Selection Sunday?

Granted the Committee probably already has their minds made up, but they really can't judge on the full SEC body of work, because the Championship Game is on Sunday.

If you had your Championship Game on Saturday, that also gives the teams in the finals an extra day of rest for the real Championship.

BTW, this year's SEC Mens Basketball Tournament Championship Game is on Sunday, March 16 at 12:00 pm.




My guess is the sec tournament is played when it is due to tv slots

I agree it's stupid to finish it on Sunday when selections are going to be made later tgst day

But, really, how hard is it for the committee to take all games into consideration through Saturday and make their selections

It seems like they don't even do that much

Just have teams slotted and if others behind them win some tourney games you can move them up if you think they deserve to be moved up then just move the teams they move ahead of down

It's not freakin rocket science

Committe a ts like it has the toughest job in the world

But I bet a bunch of avid college hoops fans could do just as Good of a job if not better





As much as they say to the contrary, they have made it quite clear for three years in a row that regardless of what day of the week a conference tournament game is that is not a data point that is taken into consideration.


We used to have fun bubble games on Tuesday/Wed where the 8 and 9 seeds played what felt like a win and in situation, lose and out. In the past couple of years, they have even been ignoring these data points.
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I am curious if we manage to play ourselves into position to be on the border between a 1 and 2 seed and we made it to the SECT finals, if the fact that the Finals is not until Sunday and the committee has already more or less set the field, would we get screwed out of a 1 seed even if we win the SECT?

I guess the real question is, does the committee count the conference tourney very much or at all to where winning it would push a borderline 1 seed into a 1 seed or would they still leave them at the 2 seed.

I'm guessing that the answer is that it depends on what the committee is pushing and who the team involved is.
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