St. John's is on a tear

# 9 in the Coach's Poll I think.

Bama is #1 in the coaches poll and Auburn is 2. Aggies are #9



Mikesyracuse1

What's the highest ranking that A&M basketball has ever had especially this late in the season?

The Marksman said:

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bobinator said:

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Why is it laughable? One game from two months ago over 25 games of data? They're significantly ahead of us in the predictive metrics and right behind us in the resume metrics. I think you could defend it either way but definitely don't think it's "laughable."

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We beat them head to head and have way better wins than they do, but because they're ahead of us in predictive(read: meaningless) metrics they deserve to be ahead of us? Our current resume is better, the rankings shouldn't be "predictive."

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So we beat them by 4 points in December and that means that for the rest of the season we should always be ranked higher than them?
Personally, I find weekly rankings as vanity metrics. The _only_ ranking that matters is the last one.

Very happy for the Aggies and the coaching staff.

ABM

We have way better wins? Alabama is the best win either of us have. They did also win at one of the teams that beat us.

I do think our overall wins are better, but they've also only lost one game since Christmas. Like I said, I could go either way on ranking us both but I just definitely don't thing it's laughable to have them ahead of us. Depends on how you're ranking, who you think is currently better or whose resume is better.

I look at the rankings mostly as like "what's the current vibe around this team."

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/texas-am/men/2007-schedule.html

We were 6th at this time in 2006-07, finished the regular season at 7th.

Rec said:

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So since Florida beat Auburn at home they should always be ranked in front of Auburn for the rest of the season? No transitive property…

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Better wins, same number of losses, and the context of our losses. Over one spot. Auburn and Florida is not an apples to apples comparison in this situation.

bobinator said:

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Why is it laughable? One game from two months ago over 25 games of data? They're significantly ahead of us in the predictive metrics and right behind us in the resume metrics. I think you could defend it either way but definitely don't think it's "laughable."

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A poll right now should not be basing anything off predictive metrics. It should be a snapshot in time.

They beat Alabama at home in November. According to you, that win shouldn't mean anything to the rankings when comparing against us because it was so long ago. They also lost to Ohio State at home (a team we beat) and decisively lost to Auburn.

So other than beating Alabama one month before they played us, what have they done to deserve a better ranking after losing to us?

If they are right beside us in resume metrics, and we beat them, what more can possibly done? At some point, head to head matters.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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bobinator said:

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Why is it laughable? One game from two months ago over 25 games of data? They're significantly ahead of us in the predictive metrics and right behind us in the resume metrics. I think you could defend it either way but definitely don't think it's "laughable."

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A poll right now should not be basing anything off predictive metrics. It should be a snapshot in time.

They beat Alabama at home in November. According to you, that win shouldn't mean anything to the rankings when comparing against us because it was so long ago. They also lost to Ohio State at home (a team we beat) and decisively lost to Auburn.

So other than beating Alabama one month before they played us, what have they done to deserve a better ranking after losing to us?

If they are right beside us in resume metrics, and we beat them, what more can possibly done? At some point, head to head matters.

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How do we dictate to the poll takers your judgment of how they participate???

Predictive metrics are a snapshot in time. The goal of the metric is "how good is this team right now?"

Presumably that's the directive in the polls also. "Who do you think are the best 25 teams right now?"

"Best" is subjective though. Does a voter want to vote just on resume? Then yeah, it's hard to argue Purdue over us. It's close, but our numbers are better overall.

Or is it who they think is the best right now? Purdue has won 11 of their last 12 games, some of them convincingly, including blasting a top 50-ish (depending on your ranking of choice) USC by 18 over the weekend, a top 20 Michigan team that they beat by 27 points two weeks ago, and a top 40 Nebraska team they beat by 36 last month.

Their schedule hasn't been as good as ours over the last two months, but their results are better. We know that with Wade Taylor there's a good chance we win one of the Alabama or Kentucky games, but a voter isn't going to vote on a hypothetical.

Just to be clear again, if I voted I'd probably have us ahead of Purdue, I just think it's close and I can see it either way depending on how a particular vote likes to vote.

If H2H matters that much, should Texas be ranked ahead of us?

Jesusfknchrist, some of you have never watched basketball.

Again, these rankings don't and won't matter.

20ag07 said:

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If H2H matters that much, should Texas be ranked ahead of us?

Jesusfknchrist, some of you have never watched basketball.

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We are 1-1 against them with a decisive win in the first game, and a miracle comeback by them in the 2nd.

For someone who didn't know we played Texas twice, you probably shouldn't comment about others not watching games.

20ag07 said:

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So other than beating Alabama one month before they played us, what have they done to deserve a better ranking after losing to us?

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Well they beat Oregon, who we lost to by 10.

Again, you psychotic people expect everyone to look through things THAT DONT MATTER AT THIS POINT with an Aggie lens on.

Of course at some point ON FEB 10TH pollsters are gonna get tired of ranking SEC teams.

You idiots are looking for a travesty on a one-place ranking in the middle of Feb, when there's still a month to go.

I swear, Idk how people find this many things to be butthurt about.

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Lot of namecalling, but can't list one reason other than a single common opponent, while ignoring head to head, for why they should be ahead of us.

If basketball discussion gets you this hot and bothered, you might want to take a break.

bobinator said:

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Predictive metrics are a snapshot in time. The goal of the metric is "how good is this team right now?"

Presumably that's the directive in the polls also. "Who do you think are the best 25 teams right now?"

"Best" is subjective though. Does a voter want to vote just on resume? Then yeah, it's hard to argue Purdue over us. It's close, but our numbers are better overall.

Or is it who they think is the best right now? Purdue has won 11 of their last 12 games, some of them convincingly, including blasting a top 50-ish (depending on your ranking of choice) USC by 18 over the weekend, a top 20 Michigan team that they beat by 27 points two weeks ago, and a top 40 Nebraska team they beat by 36 last month.

Their schedule hasn't been as good as ours over the last two months, but their results are better. We know that with Wade Taylor there's a good chance we win one of the Alabama or Kentucky games, but a voter isn't going to vote on a hypothetical.

Just to be clear again, if I voted I'd probably have us ahead of Purdue, I just think it's close and I can see it either way depending on how a particular vote likes to vote.

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Understandable. It's absolutely close. That's where you look at.. if the teams played, who would win? Well we have played. And we did win. So the nod should go to us.

And yes, it doesn't matter today. But at some point, we have to stop being so overly analytical about a sport where teams play each other, and notice that when a team beats another team with similar resume, there's a default answer as to who gets the nod.

It's interesting because we actually have an unusual number of common opponents because of many Big Ten teams we played and how many SEC teams they played.

Alabama - Purdue was +9 on a nuetral court, we were -6 at home
Ole Miss - They were +2 on a nuetral court, we were +1 away
Rutgers - they were +18 away, we were +4 on a neutral court
Oregon - They were +7 away, we were -10 on a neutral court
Ohio State - They were -8 at home, we were +14 at home

We'll also both have played Auburn, who they got hammered by on a neutral court.