When we get up or on an offensive roll, opposing coaches know that all they have to do is send goons to take some fouls and stifle production. Rinse, repeat. How are you a d1 basketball player, and can't make free throws….

Yeah we shot six free throws in the second half and half of them were on one shot attempt with more than ten minutes left.

And we shoot so bad from the field that even though we're terrible at free throws they still have a higher expected value than our regular shots.

When we got tu to 6 team fouls in the 2nd half, tu backed off (or refs quit calling fouls). When they needed empty possessions from us later in the half, Payne got fouled twice in a row. Missed front end of 1-1. Second time was in the act of shooting if I recall. Since no one was in foul trouble for them, they could go after the person they wanted at the line without any repercussions.

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When we get up or on an offensive roll, opposing coaches know that all they have to do is send goons to take some fouls and stifle production. Rinse, repeat. How are you a d1 basketball player, and can't make free throws….

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I'm actually surprised they didn't actually try to do this yesterday. With Jace and Payne on the floor it would have been a good strategy.

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Nobody has done that against us.

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Which is remarkable, it will clearly work well

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It's a dumb strategy vs us. If say Alabama was terrible at FTs that would make sense. Makes no sense vs A&M.

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zgolfz85 said:

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MarcAg said:

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Nobody has done that against us.

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Which is remarkable, it will clearly work well

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It's a dumb strategy vs us. If say Alabama was terrible at FTs that would make sense. Makes no sense vs A&M.

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Depends on the situation. If a team is up then yes it'd be dumb, if down, then great strategy

It's extremely not a good strategy. Unless we're in the one and one, then maybe it is if you don't foul certain people.

Why would you put one of the worst shooting teams in college basketball, one that's also fairly turnover prone, at the free throw line?

If we take two free throws we're making at least one most of the time, there's no way we average a point per possession on regular possessions.

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It's extremely not a good strategy. Unless we're in the one and one, then maybe it is if you don't foul certain people.

Why would you put one of the worst shooting teams in college basketball, one that's also fairly turnover prone, at the free throw line?

If we take two free throws we're making at least one most of the time, there's no way we average a point per possession on regular possessions.

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Depends on the game. If we're hot from the field like 1H yesterday, which is a rarity I know, and a team is down and needing to catch up, we're a team to employ it against. If we're ice cold from the floor, then yes would be dumb.

All that to say, there's not many teams you'd want to hack a Shaq on…we are one in the right situation

It only makes sense if time is a factor. Which is true of all teams. There was another thread where we broke down the actual numbers on this, but a team would have to shoot below like 60% from the FT line, which only one team in all of college basketball does, but also be one the best shooting teams from the field, to make this a good strategy.

Going to the free throw line is usually way better than having to attempt a field goal. Think about a two point shot, if you shoot 50% which is decent, you average 1 point per possession. So two possessions, you make one and you miss one and end up having two points. Lets say an awful 50% free throw shooter gets fouled on those two possessions instead. They go 2/4 and its the same 2 points. So, as you can see, a truly awful free throw shooter getting fouled is just as good as a possession with a decent shooter taking good looks at two field goals.

Hack-a-shaq was a thing not because he was a bad free throw shooter (he was), but it was actually because the alternative reality was he was so good if you didnt foul him he was going to back you down and make some bucket in the paint at 60% clip.

Guys don't overthink it, I'm being mostly facetious, but in games where we shoot sub 50% at the line, which we've shockingly done multiple times, it's something to consider

That never happens though. We went 3-8 which is a fluke small sample size.

The only other game this happened was LSU, so "done multiple times" is twice in 20 games.

I think you could actually make a good case for fouling Payne if he gets the ball close to the basket and we're in the one and one.

Then you're in Shaq territory where his bad FT shooting (though he was on a heater there for a few games) might be a better bet than his insane FG% lately.

Although we're a poor shooting team from the field, we are pretty good at not making free throws

Is OP Porter Moser?