way too early to be this discouraged, given the amazing metamorphis shown last year. but we're gonna need a 12-6 conf record with a few impressive wins and a two deep conf' tourney run. im wait and see mode.

Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Well, today about did it for me.
I'm officially ready to jump off the Buzz train.

He's had his time. For whatever reason, it's not working

For all of BK's flaws, he had us performing much better than Buzz to date, and even though BK always had that same unchanging, Turgeon was just a Much better fit for the culture. Buying pizzas for the reed towdies, you kidding? Running on campus outside when he could be inside, but he prefers to be be one with the community

It's time to move on. Not working

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You give up that easily? Buzz's teams take some time to gel and to figure our rotations and plays. We'll be alright.

BadMoonRisin said:

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yea but have you been reading your daily books bro? its not all about winnin' bro, you gotta inspire the kids, bro. please. you gotta.

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This is dumb and you don't have any idea what Buzz's reading and having his players read does for team chemistry and personal growth. He's one helluva coach and you are clueless.

Maroon Flash said:

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Sick of the performances ranging from mediocrity to sucking. With our resources there is no excuse not to be very good in EVERY sport.

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Seems like we have not had a good AD for a long time.

Buzz gotta go. Yesterday

Divining Rod said:

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way too early to be this discouraged, given the amazing metamorphis shown last year. but we're gonna need a 12-6 conf record with a few impressive wins and a two deep conf' tourney run. im wait and see mode.

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That's one of the main issues here. The metamorphosis that has to occur very late in the season, while looking like trash before February. This then creates a very fine line in which we have to win the sec tournament just to get into the dance. It's not a good long term strategy.

AFAIK Kennedy had one great recruiting class that saved his ass for a few years.

Buzz has been an extreme disappointment

Turge took BCGs success and was trending down when he left.

BCG was building something but left for bluegrass and never recovered.

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BK was way too passive as a game day coach.

But you can't argue against his recruiting. We signed arguably the best class of all time for A&M under his tenure. He made smart moves recruiting like signing Avery Johnson's son to help get the other Dallas guys to come (I doubt Buzz would pull a stunt like that). I'm also convinced somebody got a checkbook out because we were coming off a horrible season and then recruited lights out--- but in any event- BK made it happen. More than Buzz can say at this point.

Divining Rod said:

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way too early to be this discouraged, given the amazing metamorphis shown last year. but we're gonna need a 12-6 conf record with a few impressive wins and a two deep conf' tourney run. im wait and see mode.

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Deep conference tourney run? lol..Even if we could... Why? The committee will already have the bracket already done.

Aston04 said:

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BK was way too passive as a game day coach.

But you can't argue against his recruiting. We signed arguably the best class of all time for A&M under his tenure. He made smart moves recruiting like signing Avery Johnson's son to help get the other Dallas guys to come (I doubt Buzz would pull a stunt like that). I'm also convinced somebody got a checkbook out because we were coming off a horrible season and then recruited lights out--- but in any event- BK made it happen. More than Buzz can say at this point.

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BK was a horrible game day coach. And I think most would say Stansbury was the one getting the recruiting done and knew how to play the game, but credit has to be given to BK for making that hire. He was dead in the water and went out and made staff changes that helped to massively transform his roster and he deserves credit for that.

Buzz clearly had a falling out with McNeilly and has done nothing to upgrade his coaching or recruiting staff. If we don't make a change after this season, Buzz is going to have to bring in someone from outside his circle who can help provide new ideas or help lockdown talent that Buzz either can't or has been unwilling to land.

I imagine Buzz will bring in someone on the recruiting side this off-season.

Problem is we then enter that weird zone of... what happens if we make the tournament (and first round exit) next year? We ain't firing him after that.

That's why this year is so painful. We are likely looking at 5 years of no tourney or 4 years and then a tourney appearance and then another year or two to "see how it goes".

Very Kennedy-esque except possibly without the S16 ceiling.

TyperWoods said:

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AFAIK Kennedy had one great recruiting class that saved his ass for a few years.

Buzz has been an extreme disappointment

Turge took BCGs success and was trending down when he left.

BCG was building something but left for bluegrass and never recovered.

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Turgeon and BSG USED A&M as a steppingstone! Scre- em!

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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TyperWoods said:

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AFAIK Kennedy had one great recruiting class that saved his ass for a few years.

Buzz has been an extreme disappointment

Turge took BCGs success and was trending down when he left.

BCG was building something but left for bluegrass and never recovered.

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Turgeon and BSG USED A&M as a steppingstone! Scre- em!

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I used A&M as a stepping stone as well. I took what A&M provided while I was there and used it to move on to bigger and better things in my career. I love A&M, but it was just a conduit to get from high school to being a professional in the workforce.

Divining Rod said:

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way too early to be this discouraged, given the amazing metamorphis shown last year. but we're gonna need a 12-6 conf record with a few impressive wins and a two deep conf' tourney run. im wait and see mode.

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The metamorphosis isn't happening this season. Last year we we were something like 11-1 going into sec play (albeit vs very weak OOC). We already have 5 losses (4 in which we were favored and none of them were close). Respectable road loss to Memphis followed up by our most embarrassing loss in years. This team should have been able to build on end of season success but has not. And now about to start conference play. This is going to get much uglier.

Turgeon is still the best coach weve had in the modern era of college basketball. The only way he didnt measure up was in comparison to how Billy Gillispie coached us in 2008-2011 in everyone's fever dreams.

You think Turgeon from 2008-11 was better than Gillispie from 2004-07?

Debateable. About the same. Im aware that few will agree with that. I dont ascribe much importance or glory to the "rebuild" anymore, nor have I ever really looked at coaching in the incremental straight line graph way most do (ie we were 20-10 last year so this next year we ahould be 24-6 or else we are off trend). Every coach has to coach the team he has that year and the previous years dont mean much. Turgeon won, every year. Gillispie did too. Anybody that doesnt have Turgeon at least #2 (I know they're out there, or have been) always fascinates me. They feel personally slighted by him I think for some reason.

You can't worry about idiots.

My main beef with Turgeon is that it seemed like we never won the big games. Seemed like every time we'd get some momentum and have a huge game with a big crowd we'd lose. I haven't run the numbers on that, but it feels true. Like we didn't have that… I dunno… edge maybe, to go out and clip an elite team like we did with Gillespie a few times.

I think we won some big games. People got a sour taste in their mouth though in the last season because while we were 24-9 we went 0-5 vs Texas and Baylor and we also had a decent number of fans that cared the most about those games

BCG had a 35point loss his first year (@Texas).

In the other 90 games he was coach at Texas A&M his team either won or was within single digits in the last 10 minutes of the game.

Turgeon was blown out (not within single digits in the last 10 minutes of the game) 9 times.

Little doubt IMO who the better coach was, but I certainly wouldn't argue Turgeon being any worse than #2.