I used to watch him play in high school and would post about him on this board. People would tell me that Caldwell was ranked higher. I don't see how anyone could've ever watched the two and thought Caldwell was better. He was doing this same stuff he's doing tonight in high school.

Scouting more of a crapshoot with the former coach.

All you need to know

That was a huge miss if true. Makes you wonder what the hell was going on at that time. And it makes you glad that this bunch is no longer employed at A&M!

Rick didn't do BK any favors with that one. He could have had Collins scholarship.

Artimus Gordon said:

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That was a huge miss if true. Makes you wonder what the hell was going on at that time. And it makes you glad that this bunch is no longer employed at A&M!

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In that same recruiting class they landed a guy named Robert Williams who turned out to be a NBA lottery level pick talent.

I think their mistake in Caldwell wasn't the talent evaluation. He was a heralded recruit. It was not cutting bait sooner than they did when the kid didn't have his act together off the court. I got the sense Caldwell's signing was part of the equation for why they felt comfortable enough to run Alex Robinson off before the 2015-2016 season. They had brought in the grad transfer Anthony Collins for just that season, and then they planned on having Caldwell.

In terms of roster management mistakes looking back in the Kennedy era, Caldwell maybe near the top in terms of most damaging.

I understand what you are saying, but how was Caldwell a heralded recruit? I understand he was ranked high, but how? He never showed anything in his limited opportunities. He doesn't have half of what Carsen Edwards has.

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I understand what you are saying, but how was Caldwell a heralded recruit? I understand he was ranked high, but how? He never showed anything in his limited opportunities. He doesn't have half of what Carsen Edwards has.

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Partly because was a stud on the AAU circuit. Was 4-star ranking and considered a Top-10 player in Texas and Top-60-ish player nationally by the recruiting services.

https://future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/jj-caldwell-pg-2016

https://247sports.com/player/jj-caldwell-71743/

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/highschool/article/It-s-a-bumper-crop-of-high-school-point-guards-6637202.php

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Monday's Season Opener, a four-game card at the Campbell Center, wasn't just the official start of the UIL basketball season.

It was proof of how deep and talented the Houston point-guard pool has become. The city's best senior point guards in years were under one roof for one night.

Yates' Jacob Young, Atascocita's Carsen Edwards, Cypress Lakes' De'Aaron Fox and J.J. Caldwell with the Sports Association of Texas for Christian Homeschoolers are the torch-bearers for what could be Houston's best class of floor generals in more than a decade.

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We got the wrong kid out of Atascocita.

Coached against and have known Carsen since he was in the 7th grade. Good kid and very happy for him.

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Houston's best class of floor generals in more than a decade

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We haven't even had a light colonel in a LONG time

Still don't understand why Caldwell was so highly rated. Guards who can't shoot are worthless nowadays

It's kinda masked by the fact that for the most part, any idiot can see a dude walking down the street and go "Damn, I bet that guy can play" but it seems to me (granted not in the game) that there definitely is still quite a bit of people within the sport who value the "wrong" set of skills. Scouting the smallest (or most normal sized) players is probably the toughest.

machine20 said:

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Still don't understand why Caldwell was so highly rated. Guards who can't shoot are worthless nowadays

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AMEN. I kept saying that when I heard the hype when he was recruited and when he played the first few games. Kid can't shoot- didn't see him being a game changer.

Same concern for Wheeler. Although, from tape (which of course is flawed way to evaluate) I like that he seems more careful with the basketball. Maybe a tad shiftier than Caldwell too.

machine20 said:

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Still don't understand why Caldwell was so highly rated. Guards who can't shoot are worthless nowadays

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That's the point I was attempting to make when I asked how he was ranked so high. I understand he was, but why? I don't understand how anyone could have watched him and justified his ranking.

Aston04 said:

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The previous staff was obviously clueless on recruiting point guards.

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or developing them. Except Caruso - but he and his dad development him.

machine20 said:

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Still don't understand why Caldwell was so highly rated. Guards who can't shoot are worthless nowadays

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...and we heard he was the missing piece from staph all year when Caldwell was out due to academics.

Then he was suddenly the problem too

This guy is having a night

_lefraud_ said:

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This guy is having a night

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Not just a night. How about the entire tournament.

94chem said:

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I'm just gonna pretend that Edwards went to A&M, then transferred to Purdue.

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like drew brees

DukeMu said:

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Aston04 said:

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The previous staff was obviously clueless on recruiting point guards.

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or developing them. Except Caruso - but he and his dad development him.

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The TexAgs narrative used to be that Stansbury recruited and developed everybody on that team that won the SEC. Now, the TexAgs narrative for some is apparently that even Stansbury was useless and the players developed themselves...with no coaching assistance whatsoever (well, with maybe some help from their parents).

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94chem said:

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I'm just gonna pretend that Edwards went to A&M, then transferred to Purdue.

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Seems like somebody already said that.

He had 42 points tonight. Purdue has a 7'er in single digits. Painter doesn't like points in the paint. Still glad they lost.

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DukeMu said:

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Aston04 said:

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The previous staff was obviously clueless on recruiting point guards.

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or developing them. Except Caruso - but he and his dad development him.

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The TexAgs narrative used to be that Stansbury recruited and developed everybody on that team that won the SEC. Now, the TexAgs narrative for some is apparently that even Stansbury was useless and the players developed themselves...with no coaching assistance whatsoever (well, with maybe some help from their parents).

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there's no purpose with the finger pointing of who on the staff sucked or not. Bottom line: recruiting and/or development was really weak at pg (except for Alex). So bad we end up playing walk-ons who can't shoot for at least half his tenure, because our staff can't get their sh&t together with a deeper roster. Overall, coaching was suspect as well given the underachievement we saw most seasons. Moving on.

Throw me over the Jericho Wall if this is true.