CovertChad said:
Hearing a lot of can Kennedy but who would we go get? I thought it was kind of understood that this would be a rebuilding year. A guy at work suggested biting the bullet and running over to Ranger Juco and grabbing BCG again.....Thoughts????
let me save you the trouble of wondering....theres no effing way in hell he is leaving tech to come here. just like there is no way we can lure their baseball coach here either. going off on a tangent here but the best chance we have of hring a top notch coach in a non-revenue sport is pulling vic schaefer from MSU, and i even doubt we care enough to do so.CovertChad said:
I really like Chris Beard at Tech but I dont know if he would leave there for A&M.
Billy Kennedy just doxxed himself.Gap said:
No one likes the way the year has gone and I am not opining on anything except the concept of having a rebuilding year in year 8. Yes, you could definitely have a rebuilding year in pretty much any sport in year 8 or year 15 or year 20. It depends on the makeup of your roster from year to year and recruiting. Basketball is especially prone to the team lifecycle because elite players rarely want to stay on the bench so you don't always have an elite player on the roster replacing a guy who just left.
For example, West Virginia is 8-9 this season. Doesn't mean that Huggins is a crap coach all of a sudden.Gap said:
No one likes the way the year has gone and I am not opining on anything except the concept of having a rebuilding year in year 8. Yes, you could definitely have a rebuilding year in pretty much any sport in year 8 or year 15 or year 20. It depends on the makeup of your roster from year to year and recruiting. Basketball is especially prone to the team lifecycle because elite players rarely want to stay on the bench so you don't always have an elite player on the roster replacing a guy who just left.
Haha. Way to go out on a limb.JaySugar said:
There are at least 25 coaches (that we could get) that are better than Kennedy
Prob 50 to 100.JaySugar said:
There are at least 25 coaches (that we could get) that are better than Kennedy
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100% accurate. If you aren't one of the top 5-6 teams in terms of recruiting it will happen inevitably.Gap said:
No one likes the way the year has gone and I am not opining on anything except the concept of having a rebuilding year in year 8. Yes, you could definitely have a rebuilding year in pretty much any sport in year 8 or year 15 or year 20. It depends on the makeup of your roster from year to year and recruiting. Basketball is especially prone to the team lifecycle because elite players rarely want to stay on the bench so you don't always have an elite player on the roster replacing a guy who just left.
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In conversations, Oats appears to be a very regular human. He's easygoing and seemingly low-maintenance. He happily shares details of a weight-loss competition with his staff and shows off the gift cards at stake, and he accepts life hacks such as how to use a pizza cutter for his kids' pancakes. Some Midwest austerity shines through when Oats admits to chiding players who don't finish what they take at team meals; he tells them they must have grown up rich, because he couldn't leave food on the plate as a kid. Any assumptions you make based on this information is at your own risk, though. After a few days at Alumni Arena, it's evident this is no guileless proprietor of a corner-store operation. There is bombast here. There is an urgency to beat everyone at everything, badly, and a healthy presumption about the ability to do so.
It's crystallized once you draw in close. Only then do you notice the serrated edges. "You'll see Nick Saban go crazy when (Alabama is) up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter," Oats says. "Well, that's what's starting to irritate me. We're up 28, for instance, at St. Bonaventure. We're supposed to win that game by 35 to 40. Well, we don't. We won it by 18 because we don't keep our foot on the gas pedal."
There are, as Oats calls them, various "non-negotiables" in how his players must perform on the floor. Some fall under the general umbrella of effort, of a workmanlike approach to the game; this is why the assistants wear mechanics' shirts while they warm up the team before a game, and why one player is rewarded with a blue hard hat for accruing the most points for tips, floor dives, etc., in any contest. Some are more specific, such as squaring up an opponent in a defensive stance and being in constant communication with teammates on the floor, or heeding attention to detail, lest you be penalized one way or another for a lack of concentration.
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It's an idea Oats tries to embed in the players after practice, emphasizing the urgency to seize the opportunity to go up two games on the MAC contenders with a win the next night. He returns to the theme at shootaround the next afternoon, asking for an overwhelming intensity from the start. In general, he feels his group isn't exerting itself for the full 40 minutes. Not consistently enough, anyway. He anticipates taking Toledo's best shot, too, so his guard is up. As a rule, he wants Buffalo to play as if it has accomplished everything and nothing at all.
"It's a much better spot to be in when everyone's chasing you all year," Oats tells his team. "You have 100 percent control of your destiny. We need to come out and punch these guys in the mouth and control our own destiny."
Double Diamond said:
Comparing Bob Huggins off year to Billy Kennedy's.
At a school on the level of Centenary and Southeastern Louisiana, is success defined by NCAA tournament appearances?expresswrittenconsent said:It's hilarious. Good coaches can and will have bad years. Bad coaches can and will have good years. Billy Kennedy is a bad coach. His 2/8 (ncaa trips) here and 3/20 for his career say so. All of the excuses made for him say so. His sub 0.500 conf record after 8 yrs says so.Double Diamond said:
Comparing Bob Huggins off year to Billy Kennedy's.
No expertise is needed to correctly judge Billy Kennedys (or Bob Huggins) coaching ability.
JaySugar said:
There are at least 25 coaches (that we could get) that are better than Kennedy
GE said:At a school on the level of Centenary and Southeastern Louisiana, is success defined by NCAA tournament appearances?expresswrittenconsent said:It's hilarious. Good coaches can and will have bad years. Bad coaches can and will have good years. Billy Kennedy is a bad coach. His 2/8 (ncaa trips) here and 3/20 for his career say so. All of the excuses made for him say so. His sub 0.500 conf record after 8 yrs says so.Double Diamond said:
Comparing Bob Huggins off year to Billy Kennedy's.
No expertise is needed to correctly judge Billy Kennedys (or Bob Huggins) coaching ability.
What about a school like Murray State? When you have to win the conference tournament to make it to the NCAA tournament, can you call a season successful in which you won the regular season but got upset in the tournament?
Your 2/8 statistic and commentary on what he has done here is 100% valid and is the primary reason he shouldn't be retained after the season. It just doesn't seem like the results support that he was a "bad coach" in the context of those three previous schools. His teams won four conference championships in the 13 years before he got here, he took SE LA to their only NCAA tournament ever, and his 2010 Murray State team had the first OVC NCAAT victory since 1989.
Was he the best candidate available at the time he was hired? No.
Did his previous results indicate he was a bad coach? Also no.
Edit: i didn't choose the crying icon intentionally but it may be fitting given what happened last night.
BCG isn't going anywhere as an assistant or head coach in-waiting.GE said:
I would love to see us hire BCG as associate head coach like Stans was as a midseason hire and then keep him in that position regardless of what happens with BK. If there are concerns about his ability to handle the other aspects of being a head coach then have a head coach but pay BCG like a head coach kind of like LSU does with Aranda.
The ONLY reason BK was ever hired was because Turgeon dropped us in the grease with his late and sudden departure. Byrne was in between a rock and a hard place. His options were very limited at that point.Quote:
Billy Kennedy was arguably one of the worst coaches at Murray State since 1985.
Another way of saying what you're saying is Billy Kennedy's teams failed to win the conference tournament 4 out of 5 years.free_mhayden said:GE said:At a school on the level of Centenary and Southeastern Louisiana, is success defined by NCAA tournament appearances?expresswrittenconsent said:It's hilarious. Good coaches can and will have bad years. Bad coaches can and will have good years. Billy Kennedy is a bad coach. His 2/8 (ncaa trips) here and 3/20 for his career say so. All of the excuses made for him say so. His sub 0.500 conf record after 8 yrs says so.Double Diamond said:
Comparing Bob Huggins off year to Billy Kennedy's.
No expertise is needed to correctly judge Billy Kennedys (or Bob Huggins) coaching ability.
What about a school like Murray State? When you have to win the conference tournament to make it to the NCAA tournament, can you call a season successful in which you won the regular season but got upset in the tournament?
Your 2/8 statistic and commentary on what he has done here is 100% valid and is the primary reason he shouldn't be retained after the season. It just doesn't seem like the results support that he was a "bad coach" in the context of those three previous schools. His teams won four conference championships in the 13 years before he got here, he took SE LA to their only NCAA tournament ever, and his 2010 Murray State team had the first OVC NCAAT victory since 1989.
Was he the best candidate available at the time he was hired? No.
Did his previous results indicate he was a bad coach? Also no.
Edit: i didn't choose the crying icon intentionally but it may be fitting given what happened last night.
If you can't decide whether to judge based on records or tournament appearances at the mid-major schools, it helps simply to look at what other coaches have done at that school. A couple of coaches won at 70%+ clip. Almost all (including Kennedy) won at a 60%+ clip.
Here are the last 8 Murray State head coaches dating back to 1985:
Matt McMahon (1 tournament in 3 years, currently 13-2)
Steve Prohm (1 tournament in 4 years... and working on his 3rd in 4 years at his new major conference school)
Billy Kennedy (1 tournament in 5 years)
Mick Cronin (2 tournaments in 3 years)
Tevester Anderson (2 tournaments in 5 years)
Mark Gottfried (2 tournaments in 3 years)
Scott Edgar (2 tournament in 4 years)
Steve Newton (4 tournaments in 7 years)
So dating back to 1985 all the coaches won at least 60% of their games... But only one coach made the NCAA Tournament less than 25% of the time.
Billy Kennedy was arguably one of the worst coaches at Murray State since 1985.
