This is nothing but "Swag" culture infecting the program. Whenever we get get a streak going, these kids run to party.

These kids dont fear Kennedy, just like the football team didnt respect KDS or Spav. And the result is sloppy play on and off the field.

People btched at BCG for running suicides until players puked but those kids feared the coaching.

Absolutely 100% correct.

He's holding them accountable, isn't he?

In fact, he is doing so despite what that means to this year and possibly his coaching future. I don't see that as soft at all.

Many of the suspensions have come down from above him.

Control over the team would entail nipping the out of control partying in the bud. Kids don't fear the consequences from him, that's for sure. Pathetic.

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^He has no control over university punishment. They were arrested man. At least try to be somewhat informed before posting.

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Nice insult.

What did you expect him to do? Follow the kid around and tell him not to smoke?

I rephrased before reading your response. Don't want to be rude about this. Just frustrating seeing this play out over and over. It doesn't happen repeatedly in programs with respect of the head coach and some semblance of control over their players

Dunno if it matters, but one had an outstanding warrant since December (easily accessible with a public internet search) and continued to play. Also, they were arrest by campus cops.

^Wow. Please say you are talking about Caldwell.

https://www.brazoscountytx.gov/Index.aspx?NID=108

Click oustanding warrants.

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He's holding them accountable, isn't he?

In fact, he is doing so despite what that means to this year and possibly his coaching future. I don't see that as soft at all.

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Is he? Seems to be a pretty popular opinion that it's the University and ADs office in charge of these suspensions, not Kennedy

How crazy is that a cop could have gone up to our bench and arrested Caldwell in uniform mid-game?

wxguy95 said:

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He's holding them accountable, isn't he?

In fact, he is doing so despite what that means to this year and possibly his coaching future. I don't see that as soft at all.

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Dont yall see, that is precisely the problem. They dont fear Kennedy, the only thing they fear is the department. In fact Kennedy's role is reactive.

If the kids feared him or his staff, they would have ulcers just thinking about being in the presence of MJ. But no, they do what they want, and know Kennedy isnt going to discipline them. Then the University finds out and Kennedy is "forced" to discipline them.

Honestly, what has anyone seen from Kennedy to make them think Kennedy commands any level of respect from his players?

Why aren't other teams facing these sorts of things? Not saying none are, but not like this.

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Why aren't other teams facing these sorts of things? Not saying none are, but not like this.

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maybe, just maybe because other teams do a better job of sweeping it under the rug?

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Double Diamond said:

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Why aren't other teams facing these sorts of things? Not saying none are, but not like this.

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maybe, just maybe because other teams do a better job of sweeping it under the rug?

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That is pretty much the answer.

So really everyone here is saying:

- Kennedy is the only coach to not control his players in college basketball. Other schools somehow have the players in line because running after practice brings more fear than jail.

And not:

- Other schools have this happen, but they have a wink, wink, nudge, nudge agreement with local law enforcement to keep them out of trouble in the public eye. It is all swept under the rug.

Kennedy's only issue here is he, possibly, reached for kids he knew had issues but a lot of potential (assuming he knew there were issues).

This again. Yea only here are things done right. That's really insulting to schools doing things right. And arrogant.

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This is nothing but "Swag" culture infecting the program. Whenever we get get a streak going, these kids run to party.

These kids dont fear Kennedy, just like the football team didnt respect KDS or Spav. And the result is sloppy play on and off the field.

People btched at BCG for running suicides until players puked but those kids feared the coaching.

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So

Much

Stupid

Seriously, does A&M offer a degree plan in "clueless whiny internet tough guy"?

Because we sure have an abundance of them.

What is it than man?

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This again. Yea only here are things done right. That's really insulting to schools doing things right. And arrogant.

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I never meant to imply that things are done right only in College Station. But you are also deluded if you don't think that it's an issue with other schools in addition to A&M.

Look at the end of the day, the players' actions are a reflection of themselves and not the coaching staff not matter what way it is spun. They are adults who are choosing a life of partying and having a good time than spending their time in the gym refining their game or doing other things to enjoy college life that doesn't involve the law enforcement. Whatever the case may be, the coaching staff isn't going to hold their hand every minute of every hour because even players who run suicides until they puke also do stupid things. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, isn't that how it goes?

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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, isn't that how it goes?

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Sums up the athletic department's handling of the basketball program the last 7 years.

Never said other schools don't have problems. But I'm not aware of any like this. And no I don't think they are just sweeping things under the rug.

Totally wrong. The coaching staff and Billy Kennedy are very much responsible for the actions of their players and the reflection of the program. It's called having control over your program.

This is a cultural problem; I've coached HS summer baseball and have seen first hand how kids are entitled and bad behavior is re-enforced by parents and not addressed by coaches.

The army is also dealing with these issues: Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training

I don't think anyone is saying the staff needs to be hand holding or following them around. However, when it becomes such a systemic issue within the program you ultimately have to look to the top and acknowledge that it is a major issue. The players don't have enough respect for their coaches/teammates or discipline to change their behavior.

If it was one or two isolated incedents, that's one thing. When over half the roster has been suspended, there's a leadership issue. I think the players are making poor choices and I'm not asking the coaches to monitor them constantly, but it's an issue that reflects on BK and his program.

Also, for those claiming BK as the one to be dealing with these things, they're coming from above and he has to go along with department policy. Let's not paint him as some saint, when he isn't the one dishing the punishment.

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Totally wrong. The coaching staff and Billy Kennedy are very much responsible for the actions of their players and the reflection of the program. It's called having control over your program.

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I'd wager the majority of those saying Kennedy is not responsible for having control of his players have been the first to trash tu, OU, etc when they have players acting like fools.

But they like Kennedy, so it isn't his fault.

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Evidently they don't fear the department.

Why don't you guys let it rest, at least for a couple of days, and enjoy the fact that we've turned things around, are playing as well as anyone in the SEC, are back in the top 25?

Why so negative, all the time?

Interesting way to enjoy college athletics.

RR

NM

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This is a cultural problem; I've coached HS summer baseball and have seen first hand how kids are entitled and bad behavior is re-enforced by parents and not addressed by coaches.

The army is also dealing with these issues: Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training

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There was plenty of bad behavior way back when. Again, not making excuses, but when I was at A&M, campus cops drove Pintos, didn't carry guns, and mostly wrote parking tickets. If theyvdid happen to stop you, it was probably for a warning, not to check for warrants and search for weed. Also, drinking was legal at 18.

Well, some pretty terrible stuff actually happened (again) so...

It has a lot to do with the fact that just when people were starting to really feel good about this team again and enjoying the success, it was then ripped out from under them again.

Well stated...

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I don't think anyone is saying the staff needs to be hand holding or following them around. However, when it becomes such a systemic issue within the program you ultimately have to look to the top and acknowledge that it is a major issue. The players don't have enough respect for their coaches/teammates or discipline to change their behavior.

If it was one or two isolated incedents, that's one thing. When over half the roster has been suspended, there's a leadership issue. I think the players are making poor choices and I'm not asking the coaches to monitor them constantly, but it's an issue that reflects on BK and his program.

Also, for those claiming BK as the one to be dealing with these things, they're coming from above and he has to go along with department policy. Let's not paint him as some saint, when he isn't the one dishing the punishment.

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I think people also forget that Starks was on the verge of being a malcontent that couldn't take coaching. They got through to him and he's playing great basketball...exceeding expectations. So, I would suggest that Starks respected the coach by taking coaching and improving in practice and eventually games. But, I guess if you don't yell and scream at the guy, you aren't really coaching.

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This is a cultural problem; I've coached HS summer baseball and have seen first hand how kids are entitled and bad behavior is re-enforced by parents and not addressed by coaches.

The army is also dealing with these issues: Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training

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yep. my son just finished BT and was dissapointed it was not more physical, and more disciplined. some of the recruit behavior was abhorrent and little the drill sgts could do. one DS actually apologized to my son when she brushed up against him,"im sorry, did i touch you?"
son thought maybe it was a trick question!

and if anyone badmouths someone such that it might offend anither, they risk getting booted from service.

our son wrote us "welcome to New Army, where feelings matter."