Within the first 4 minutes of the game, I noticed two Ags put shots up and then start backing/running backwards! Both of those times had the shooter take one or two steps to prepare for a rebound, the ball would have been back in the Ag shooter's hands, no contest, instead the only people around the ball is the defense! Argh!
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Dont they teach "follow your shot" anymore?
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We ran gassers when we didn't follow our shots. Someone must have figured out that it doesn't matter! ;-)
Nobody follows their shot or boxes out any more. It's playground ball at Reed.
not just at Reed-endemic to the game today. Another example is free throw shooting!
its obvious that no one here has played basketball. out of the all the things to be complaining about, i can't believe ya'll are complaining about this.
Depends on where you are at on the floor. If you always follow your shot, you might be setting up the other team with an easy fast break.
Always following your shot is not smart basketball
Always following your shot is not smart basketball
He didn't say always follow your shot and yes I did play basketball. If you take a 12 foot baseline jumper, I'm going to follow the shot. if I take it from the arc I don't. The point he was making is that we NEVER see anyone follow there shot.
They figure the shot is going in so there is no need to follow it...
Last 4 minutes of a game, with a lead, is precisely the time NOT to ALWAYS follow your shot. Like mentioned above, you're playing more preventive basketball in not allowing a fast break.
Riiiiggght.
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NEVER
Riiiiggght.
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If it is a perimeter shot and you are playing at either the 1, 2, or 3 position - it is normally the shooters responsibility to get back.
>>Always following your shot is not smart basketball<<
Actually, it is. The small risk of giving up easy fast break points is outweighed by the immense benefits of 1) getting more rebounds and putting them back in, and 2) a move which forces the defense to make some sort of adjustment, especially in a zone or a combi. This agressiveness almost always means the offense will get the rebound more often than the defensive team. But even if it is 50-50, theres almost certainly a higher percentage of offensive rebounds ending up as scores than there is fast break points by the defense, which requires the rebounder to make an effective outlet pass, and there be no other player available to get back on defense -- at least disrupting the fast break.
I'll give you there's some risk involved and this is an offensive tactic that needs to be worked on as a team in practice. But I've never thought that concentrating about what MIGHT happen over what PROBABLY WILL happen ever made sense.
Following your shot doesn't always mean hi-tailing it to the basket the instant you shoot. It does mean setting yourself up into a position to be utilized should the shot be missed rather than strolling back watching what happens to (often) a prayer. Besides, there are cases where players follow other players shots -- the fast break for example. A trailer almost always makes sure the ball goes in, leaving his team open to possibly being outnumbered on the other end. My point is the principle is already utilized in some of the game but not all.
Actually, it is. The small risk of giving up easy fast break points is outweighed by the immense benefits of 1) getting more rebounds and putting them back in, and 2) a move which forces the defense to make some sort of adjustment, especially in a zone or a combi. This agressiveness almost always means the offense will get the rebound more often than the defensive team. But even if it is 50-50, theres almost certainly a higher percentage of offensive rebounds ending up as scores than there is fast break points by the defense, which requires the rebounder to make an effective outlet pass, and there be no other player available to get back on defense -- at least disrupting the fast break.
I'll give you there's some risk involved and this is an offensive tactic that needs to be worked on as a team in practice. But I've never thought that concentrating about what MIGHT happen over what PROBABLY WILL happen ever made sense.
Following your shot doesn't always mean hi-tailing it to the basket the instant you shoot. It does mean setting yourself up into a position to be utilized should the shot be missed rather than strolling back watching what happens to (often) a prayer. Besides, there are cases where players follow other players shots -- the fast break for example. A trailer almost always makes sure the ball goes in, leaving his team open to possibly being outnumbered on the other end. My point is the principle is already utilized in some of the game but not all.
Actually, it is.
You can change that MIGHT to WILL. This is D-I basketball, not TX HS. If the shooter doesn't get back on a paremeter shot, its a long pass and dunk on the other end.
Kansas would beat us by 60 instead of 40.
You can change that MIGHT to WILL. This is D-I basketball, not TX HS. If the shooter doesn't get back on a paremeter shot, its a long pass and dunk on the other end.
Kansas would beat us by 60 instead of 40.
This is an interesting thread. It started with an observation totally without substance, a comeback with some validity, and then some responses trying to defend the indefensible. What it has to do with the state of A & M basketball is fairly remote.
i'll rephrase my first post to:
its obvious that no one on this thread (people agreeing with the original topic) can shoot. since the shot wasn't going in the first time, the only way to score was to get the offensive rebound.
its obvious that no one on this thread (people agreeing with the original topic) can shoot. since the shot wasn't going in the first time, the only way to score was to get the offensive rebound.
I was just telling you basic basketball fundamentals. Even on the high school level, you have to get back or it will be an easy 2 on the other end.
We learned it at the Junior High level, but I guess there are quite a few guys on here that never played hoops
if the D is coming up with fast break pts off rebounds where guys follow their shot, then someone isn't getting involved on D/boards.
you may end up with a cheap bucket or two on a break, but you'd get killed on the boards.
i think someone said it earlier but following your shot doesn't always mean high-tailing straight to the basket. just a couple steps in helps, especially considering the shooter has the best idea of where a potential miss would be going anyway.
you may end up with a cheap bucket or two on a break, but you'd get killed on the boards.
i think someone said it earlier but following your shot doesn't always mean high-tailing straight to the basket. just a couple steps in helps, especially considering the shooter has the best idea of where a potential miss would be going anyway.
Actually it depends on the position of a player, for the most part the PG is usually designated as the guy to get back BUT if the PG drives and dishes out that leaves either the SG or SF with that responsiblity.
Of Course it really depends on what Coach you are under. My senior year I played on a Junior National team that played in Belgium...and that Coach did not want the guy taking the shot to go for an offensive rebound. His reasoning was that IF you think that you are going to miss the shot you shouldnt be taking it in the first place.
Of Course it really depends on what Coach you are under. My senior year I played on a Junior National team that played in Belgium...and that Coach did not want the guy taking the shot to go for an offensive rebound. His reasoning was that IF you think that you are going to miss the shot you shouldnt be taking it in the first place.
Nobody shoots "thinking they are going to miss" unless it's a throw-it-up shot as either time or the shot clock expire.
The best shots in the league miss 40% of their shots, so it's fairly reasonable to expect a player to position himself for a miss. As HoustonTexan said, nobody knows earlier or better if the shot is likely off mark or where it is most likely to go if not into the bucket.
You get lots of "cheap" rebounds by following your shot and that's why every coach from peewee league up teaches it as a fundamental.
However, fundamentals have not historically been one of Melvin's stronger coaching traits.
Excellence First ...
The best shots in the league miss 40% of their shots, so it's fairly reasonable to expect a player to position himself for a miss. As HoustonTexan said, nobody knows earlier or better if the shot is likely off mark or where it is most likely to go if not into the bucket.
You get lots of "cheap" rebounds by following your shot and that's why every coach from peewee league up teaches it as a fundamental.
However, fundamentals have not historically been one of Melvin's stronger coaching traits.
Excellence First ...
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Excellence First ...
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Excellence First ...
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Excellence First ...
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Excellence First ...
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following your shot is not a fundamental. shooting is all about rhythm, from setting your feet to the follow through.
i guess its just hard to understand when you just watch basketball on TV and complain about stupid things.
i guess its just hard to understand when you just watch basketball on TV and complain about stupid things.
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following your shot is not a fundamental
WRONG ... WRONG ... WRONG
and blocking out under the basket isn't a fundamental either ???
and using the baseline as an "extra" defender isn't a fundamental ???
etc, etc, etc
Excellence First ...
According to Nat Holman (link to who he is if you dont know http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/Holman.htmi) in the book Coaching Basketball edited by Jerry Krause (great book to get if you are thinking about coaching or learning more about the game.)
PG 102
Besides that following your shot is not mentioned in the rest of the whole book...all 305 pages of it..sure must be important then
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PG 102
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Common Errors on Offense
3. Following up your own shot from out deep and setting up a fastbreak situation for the opponent
Besides that following your shot is not mentioned in the rest of the whole book...all 305 pages of it..sure must be important then
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This thread is hilarious, but typifies what is wrong with the Texags bball board.
You might want your big man to follow his shot, but the job of the perimeter players is to rotate back on D to prevent easy transition buckets.
From time to time you'll hear a story from a game where a team got a lot of O rebounds that they noticed something on tape that made it worth sending two guys to the offensive glass, but usually you've got 4 guys rotating back on D as soon as the shot goes up, and usually the closest big man to the bucket trying for the O rebound.
2K
You might want your big man to follow his shot, but the job of the perimeter players is to rotate back on D to prevent easy transition buckets.
From time to time you'll hear a story from a game where a team got a lot of O rebounds that they noticed something on tape that made it worth sending two guys to the offensive glass, but usually you've got 4 guys rotating back on D as soon as the shot goes up, and usually the closest big man to the bucket trying for the O rebound.
2K
Following your shot is one of those dumb things that "freakishly obsessive sports dads" tell their kids to do despite whatever their coach tells them in Y ball. I played shooting guard from elementary school through high school, and here is what I have always been taught (not that it is from some coaching Bible). In the case of shooting a perimeter shot (15 footer and beyond), it is the shooter's number one responsibility to get back on defense. If it is closer (especially a shot along the baseline), that is normally a situation where following your shot is a good idea. That is more just pure instinct, if you shoot a 12 foot jumper in the corner - chances are you can get in the rebound in the case of a miss. Those of you talking about following your shot have pointed out that rushing the basket is of course not what you mean, we all know that would be dumb b/c most perimeter misses tend to be long. The problem is when you play competitively (especially against good transition teams) - you're one or two steps will make a huge difference. In the amount of time you stop your momentum, turn, and run back - it's going to be too late. You'll be playing catch up rather than setting up for a charge at the other end of the floor. Now, I know this is dumb to continue talking about - but I'd also like to point out one more thing. If you talk to many coaches - you will actually find out that they assign two guys back in most cases. That is, normally, the perimeter shooter and the point guard will be sliding back to play defense. The reason for this is because in many cases the secondary break is more dangerous then the initial one. BLAH BLAH BLAH, I'm just jabbering now - have a good night with this awesome argument!
I am still cannot believe that a few guys are going to continue arguing that shooters are always supposed to follow their shots. But this is an Aggie Basketball Board.
i don't think anyone is saying you should always follow your shot. its a pretty situational deal, but you can't tell me following your shot from 15 ft and in with no one b/w you and bucket is a poor decision.
i would be willing to bet many on this board also wear "and 1" clothing.
i would be willing to bet many on this board also wear "and 1" clothing.
people that get used to following their shot probably end up shooting worse than before.
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