Hop said:Iowaggie said:
It's amazing how the blue bloods in basketball stay at the top while there is a rotation of challengers. Probably more in basketball than in football, or maybe about the same.
Duke, NC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA., Mich St (and more)..and then these good to great, well financed athletic departments that rotate to the top in basketball (MIchigan, Florida, Ohio State) but don't perennially stay there.
In other words, here is little in history that suggests A&M should be consistently in the Top 20.
A few years ago, I had a client from Kansas who was a big Jayhawk fan and a season ticket holder. He needed to come visit me in CS and I offered to take him to the A&M-Kansas game at Reed. I have first row mid-court seats.
So we get to my seats and he is pumped to have such good seats. He said his season tickets were about even with the backboard and halfway up the arena. He paid about $20,000 a year for his tickets. He then asked me what my court side tickets cost, and I said about a grand. His jaw dropped. I asked him what it would cost to have my seats at Kansas. He said about $250,000.
That tells you why Kansas, UNC, Kentucky will always be blue bloods...$$$$$$$
bobinator said:jml2621 said:
One thing to keep in mind is that
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Miss State
made significant recent upgrades in coaching.
Unless we do, we're a 1 in 5 year NCAAT team.
I'm not sure Tennessee made a huge upgrade in coaching, and they also didn't do it willingly. And Alabama hasn't done anything yet under Avery. For that matter neither have Auburn or Mississippi State with their coaches. They all seem like they're getting better, but none of them are tournament teams yet.
I would say "appear in the top 20 every year" is doable, haha. I still dont get how they screwed up what we had going here. 7 trips in a row, a rabid, rowdy awesome home environment, actual traditions springing up naturally.bobinator said:
There's a gulf between "perennial top 20" and "perennial tournament team." The latter is a reasonable goal for our program. There's no reason we can't be in the mix for the tournament almost every year. The former is delusional.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southeastern_Conference_championsBQ_90 said:
Soccer both regular season tourney
Baseball (tourney)
Volleyball
WBB (tourney)
Woman's swimming and diving
Not sure about the other non rev sports
That's revenue, not budget:Austin Ag said:
SEC 2016 Athletic Budgets:
1 Texas A&M SEC $192,608,876
2 Alabama SEC $148,911,674
3 Florida SEC $147,105,242
4 LSU SEC $138,642,237
5 Tennessee SEC $126,584,033
6 Auburn SEC $124,657,247
7 Kentucky SEC $116,494,690
8 Georgia SEC $116,151,279
9 Arkansas SEC $114,172,847
10 South Carolina SEC $113,172,545
11 Missouri SEC $91,217,778
12 Mississippi SEC $87,602,519
13 Mississippi State SEC $75,400,407
Vandy is private and would not disclose.
JJxvi said:
We dont really have money left over. That extra money is revenue generated in order to pay off the capital expenditure invested into the football stadium.
That means A&M made a huge profit...going to pay for Kyle Field reno in no small part...but there's capital for coaching turnover. Financially, this year will be better than next. Which is why I recommend coaching changes this year, rather than waiting until next and less capital may be available.agnerd said:That's revenue, not budget:Austin Ag said:
SEC 2016 Athletic Budgets:
1 Texas A&M SEC $192,608,876
2 Alabama SEC $148,911,674
3 Florida SEC $147,105,242
4 LSU SEC $138,642,237
5 Tennessee SEC $126,584,033
6 Auburn SEC $124,657,247
7 Kentucky SEC $116,494,690
8 Georgia SEC $116,151,279
9 Arkansas SEC $114,172,847
10 South Carolina SEC $113,172,545
11 Missouri SEC $91,217,778
12 Mississippi SEC $87,602,519
13 Mississippi State SEC $75,400,407
Vandy is private and would not disclose.
NCAA Finances
Click the "Total Expenses" column to sort by budget.
1. Alabama $132mil
2. Florida $125mil
3. LSU $122mil
4. Auburn $115mil
5. Kentucky $115mil
6. Tennessee $113mil
7. Texas A&M $109mil
8. South Carolina $107mil
9. Arkansas $97mil
10. Georgia $97mil
11. Missouri $87mil
12. Ole Miss $82mil
13. Miss St $69mil
Coincidentally, remove Kentucky's basketball obsession and you're pretty close to the final football standings from the end of this year.
Austin Ag said:
My point is we don't have to accept non-performing sports. We need to act like the big boys now.
Look what happens when you hire the very best coach in their field. We have seen it.
Gary Blair -- without a doubt a top 10 women's basketball coach when hired. 15 years of post season play out of his first 18 years of head coaching. The Aggie Women's Basketball program was a disaster. Before Blair the Aggies played 29 seasons and only made post season 3 times (2 NCAA and 1 NIT).
After Blair is hired the Aggies have made postseason every year but once (1 NIT and 10 straight NCAA)
By all accounts there is no way Gary Blair should have ever taken the Aggie job. I bet his friends were all saying WHAT? Wait for the Texas job to open up, or La Tech for that matter!
Pat Henry -- This one is even more crazy. In his 17 years at LSU, Henry won 27 national titles, 17 SEC titles, 15 SEC Coach of the Year awards, and five National Coach of the Year awards.
The ONLY coach to win Men's and Women's Track National Champions in the same year...and he did it 3 times at LSU.
Look at A&M track program history. There is none. One Big 12 Outdoor Companionship and a few individual awards.
After Henry takes over his first year is rough but then he rattles off 13 SEC Championships and 6 national championships.
Again. His friends must have thought him crazy. He went to a college that didn't even have a track that is good enough to host a High School Track Meet (AND STILL DOESN'T!!!)
We need to grow a pair and go out and hire the best in EVERY sport. The results will follow. And add gymnastics while we are at it.
You can money whip coaches in lesser sports and, to be blunt, in sports that the majority of your fan base really don't care about. Not so in football and hoops.Austin Ag said:
My point is we don't have to accept non-performing sports. We need to act like the big boys now.
Look what happens when you hire the very best coach in their field. We have seen it.
Gary Blair -- without a doubt a top 10 women's basketball coach when hired. 15 years of post season play out of his first 18 years of head coaching. The Aggie Women's Basketball program was a disaster. Before Blair the Aggies played 29 seasons and only made post season 3 times (2 NCAA and 1 NIT).
After Blair is hired the Aggies have made postseason every year but once (1 NIT and 10 straight NCAA)
By all accounts there is no way Gary Blair should have ever taken the Aggie job. I bet his friends were all saying WHAT? Wait for the Texas job to open up, or La Tech for that matter!
Pat Henry -- This one is even more crazy. In his 17 years at LSU, Henry won 27 national titles, 17 SEC titles, 15 SEC Coach of the Year awards, and five National Coach of the Year awards.
The ONLY coach to win Men's and Women's Track National Champions in the same year...and he did it 3 times at LSU.
Look at A&M track program history. There is none. One Big 12 Outdoor Companionship and a few individual awards.
After Henry takes over his first year is rough but then he rattles off 13 SEC Championships and 6 national championships.
Again. His friends must have thought him crazy. He went to a college that didn't even have a track that is good enough to host a High School Track Meet (AND STILL DOESN'T!!!)
We need to grow a pair and go out and hire the best in EVERY sport. The results will follow. And add gymnastics while we are at it.
bobinator said:
It also, again, has to do with timing. Also, Buzz isn't exactly hiring the best of the best by the standards you just set. He's been to one elite eight.
Agnzona said:
That might be true, but then you keep trying with younger guys until you got the one. Settling should never be an option.
Which is also why I think Bill Byrne was a severely underrated AD. Seems like we were good to elite in every sport except for football during his tenure.TXAggie2011 said:
You can't moneywhip the men's basketball Pat Henry but there's certainly good, proven coaches that move each year.
If South Carolina and Virginia Tech can do it, A&M certainly has a chance to do it.
It requires a certain aspiration and commitment, which I think was evident in the Pat Henry/Gary Blair hires.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but it's a lot easier to get good in sports that aren't football and men's basketball than it is in those two.Tamu_mgm said:
Which is also why I think Bill Byrne was a severely underrated AD. Seems like we were good to elite in every sport except for football during his tenure.
bobinator said:I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but it's a lot easier to get good in sports that aren't football and men's basketball than it is in those two.Tamu_mgm said:
Which is also why I think Bill Byrne was a severely underrated AD. Seems like we were good to elite in every sport except for football during his tenure.
