Really interesting idea and I have to admit I get his point.

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Move to fall

Still mad about our three seed

I actually like the idea

SWC used to do this back in 50s and 60s.

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Still mad about our three seed

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Yep. Sure looks like it.

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Kentucky beat Texas A&M in the SEC championship game in March, and Calipari felt as though the Wildcats were not rewarded, getting a No. 4 seed while Texas A&M earned a No 3 seed.

"Texas A&M lost to us and they were a 3-seed, and we were a 4," Calipari said.

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Sort of reminds me of the just completed SEC baseball tournament with us and Florida. Perhaps, Coach Childress will be bitter about the national seeding as compared to Florida and make a case for the SEC baseball tourney to be held in February.

Calipari can GFHS.

He consistently complains about seeding and also who he has to play in the tournament every year. He's getting in his last jabs now because his AD, Mitch Barnhart is on the selection committee next year. He won't be able to complain then, so he's doing it now. He doesn't really believe this is a good idea. Just creating static and noise now instead of March.

Mikesyracuse1

Such a crybaby

They should put it in between christmas and new years or something.

I look at it this way, I'm probably never going to go to the SEC Tournament the way it is now because if we're good then I'm going to want to save that money/vacation days for the NCAA's the next week and if we suck then I'm definitely not going to go.

It makes sense for KENTUCKY to help secure their seeding

But what about the chance for someone like South Carolina who might be on the bubble to make a run and get the auto bid, thus getting an extra team into the tournament?

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It makes sense for KENTUCKY to help secure their seeding

But what about the chance for someone like South Carolina who is on the bubble to make a run and get the auto bid, thus getting an extra 4th team into the tournament?

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Whoever wins the tournament could still get the autobid right?

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It makes sense for KENTUCKY to help secure their seeding

But what about the chance for someone like South Carolina who is on the bubble to make a run and get the auto bid, thus getting an extra 4th team into the tournament?

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Whoever wins the tournament could still get the autobid right?

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What he's proposing gets rid of the auto bid from the tournament and gives it to the regular season winner (which again favors Kentucky)

Well that part's dumb because the SEC regular season champion doesn't need the auto bid. They're always going to get in unless something really weird happens and if the league is in danger of the champion not getting in the field then it has way bigger problems than figuring out when to play the tournament.

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SWC used to do this back in 50s and 60s.

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How to be a good basketball conference: don't model it after the SWC

dumb idea....

*favors UK and squeaky wheel Cal
*takes away 1 to 3 games in total number of games played by displacing OOC games with those tourney games and not having any post conf games (so takes away a possible higher number of games won for a team)
*possibly interferes with other tournament invites for SEC teams .... and ... playing in two tournaments in the fall would be more taxing for teams (more travel and away time...less practice time)
*takes away the opportunity to play more different teams
*don't think fans will like it when other conf are having tournaments and the SEC is sitting it out ... seems like a down time to me ... (Be like watching everyone have dessert and you can't have any because you ate yours last week )
*takes away revenue for the school

They should consider moving the entire tournament up a day so that if finishes on Saturday. That gives a minimum 4 day gap between the end of the tournament and the first round.

The value of the tournament to the conference occurs in one of three ways:

1. Visibility and the accompanying revenue (whether tickets or media payments or recruit eyeballs)

2. The ability to stretch a base hit into a double or triple when a non-favorite wins and receives the autobid (assuming we don't devolve into a one-bid conference.)

3. An end of season reward for especially seniors.

There is a movement away from tournaments in other sports because the selection committee process has become national in scope and it appears that the tournament results aren't as impactful on the selection committee (other than autobids) as they used to be.

Moving it back one day is the proposal actually on the table which means the conference championship is concluded enough in advance of the last selection committee meeting that in theory the whole conference tournament can be evaluated as port of the body of work.

But Calipari's suggestion is far more bold: basically eliminate the tournament or hold it at a time when you get a clear picture of the relative strengths of the teams that can be used to improve the "eyeball factor" that the (subjective) rankings use.

He wouldn't be suggesting it if he didn't think it benefited his team and he specifically mentioned February which suggests that's when he thinks he team is starting to peak. But moving up the conference tournament by one month and then not tying it to the autobid likely reduces the value of all three items previously. So I don't see it happening. Moving it up one day? That might address #1 while leaving #2 and #3 somewhat at risk, but with the current conference RPI I think the championship is more likely to get lost in the Saturday flurry of tournaments than a Sunday game is.

But the real issue is that if you're not playing at basically noon central on the ESPN channel itself, you don't have as entertaining of a product. You can't fix that by moving it one day.

Why not have a SEC tournament to start the season and end it? Have a big jump start and end to the season.

Nick Saban & Calipari off-season whining. There is always something for those two to complain about. I can't blame them. It must get boring at times being top-dog.

Satellite camps is the root of all evil for Nicky this summer.

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Why not have a SEC tournament to start the season and end it? Have a big jump start and end to the season.

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Playing the same teams before, during, and afterwards might get pretty tiresome.

from yahoo.com sports/ Jeff Eisenberg
In addition to above article info:

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Calipari's proposal comes at a time when the SEC is lagging behind its power-conference brethren in basketball clout. Kentucky and Florida have combined for three national titles and seven Final Fours in the past decade, but the league as a whole has produced only three NCAA tournament teams in three of the past four seasons and has not finished higher than sixth in conference RPI during that span.
Chief among Calipari's complaints about the SEC tournament's current format is that losses in the opening round or the quarterfinals are costing the league's bubble teams NCAA bids. He also doesn't believe that the SEC tournament champion is receiving a boost in seeding from the selection committee because the title game takes place on Selection Sunday just hours before the bracket is revealed.
When his team beat Texas A&M in the SEC title game in March but received a lesser seed than the Aggies, Calipari complained vociferously about the tournament concluding on Sunday instead of earlier in the week. Kentucky lost to fifth-seeded Indiana in the second round of the NCAA tournament, while Texas A&M made the Sweet 16.

Credit Calipari for always being willing to propose an outside-the-box idea, but this scheme is not one of his best. How would it benefit the pigskin-crazed SEC to hold its conference tournament in November at the height of football season? How many fans would make the trip to Atlanta for the event when an NCAA tournament bid isn't at stake?

In reality, the solution to the SEC's basketball problem is far simpler than Calipari's wild scheme would make it seem. If the SEC wants to be more relevant in March, the rest of the league besides Kentucky just needs to get better.

Billy Donovan's departure from Florida and Mike Anderson's inability to turn things around at Arkansas are both big blows to the SEC, but some of the league's other programs have made promising coaching hires. Auburn's Bruce Pearl, Alabama's Avery Johnson and Mississippi State's Ben Howland are luring top recruits to their respective schools and Vanderbilt's Bryce Drew may do the same if given sufficient time.

Shrewd coaching hires, smarter scheduling and more robust budgets will go a long way toward bridging the gap between the SEC and the rest of college basketball's top conferences.
The SEC tournament's format isn't broken. The league just needs to improve.

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So Calipari's idea is to move the game of basketball backwards to a time when blacks didn't go to SEC schools and there was no 3 point shot? What's next, replacing nets with peach baskets?

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Pretty good conference through much of the '80s. Not the ACC or Big East, but you had good Arkansas and Houston teams plus one or more of A&M, SMU, t.u. and on occasion tech and tcu. Baylor and Rice were really the only consistent dead weights, though even Baylor had one good season in the mid-80s.

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Pretty good conference through much of the '80s.

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Not really. Conference rank (by SRS) for SWC in 80s

11, 9, 3, 9, 12, 9, 9, 7, 12, 10

So 1 good year in a decade. Its actually pretty impressive that that collection of schools managed to be so terrible. A true testament to how little the state cares about basketball.

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Pretty good conference through much of the '80s.

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Not really. Conference rank (by SRS) for SWC in 80s

11, 9, 3, 9, 12, 9, 9, 7, 12, 10

So 1 good year in a decade. Its actually pretty impressive that that collection of schools managed to be so terrible. A true testament to how little the state cares about basketball.

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The UIL actively prevented the emergence of good basketball in Texas by preventing camps and AAU-like, off-season teams (all designed either to give the preference to football or to regulate and therefore kill non-scholastic events to protect their scholastic basketball monopoly.) Now AAU teams prevent good basketball with or without the help of the UIL.

Cal needs to give the seeding crap a break. The seedings were all about pairing both of us against specific teams in the 2nd round... if you want to ***** about it, complain that TV is given too much consideration in the process.