Wasn't Cuban fined by the NBA for talking about the Jordan deal BEFORE this came up ?????????????

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cactus dude ... you can seriously be a fan of someone like that ?

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Yeah I am. I don't like what he did; I think it was a mistake that will have a huge impact on several teams. I think that verbal contracts should be honored and your word is your bond.

Up until now he has been an amazing role model and and outspoken about his morals. He has represented our University well. This bad decision doesn't kill it for me. I really like watching this kid play ball.

When LeBron left Cleveland, to me it was worse. He had hand picked his supporting cast then up and left. I understood why people burned his jersey. People on this board feel the same about Jordan and I get why y'all feel that way.

People say this has never been done in basketball before. OK but players have made much worse decisions in the past. This is just my opinion; I realize it is not a popular one but I am not trying to troll.

As an Aggie and lifelong Mavs fan, I feel like I've been anally brutalized today

Clippers have and always will be a second rate team in LA. Dj will
Not be an offensive weapon and his value will tank soon. So long sucker.

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My favorite player pulls an absolute bush league move. Very very immature.

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People aren't allowed to change their minds before signing a contract?

The whole "He gave his word!" thing is bull**** and you know it. He did no such thing. He said yeah, I want to go back to Texas to play. The he slept on it and thought "That was pretty stupid. My bad."

Guess we need to tell a number of kids on the football team that they're scum because they committed elsewhere before signing with the Ags.

****ing hypocrites..

I'm guessing that most would agree there is a big difference between a high school senior picking a school and a professional athlete (and grown ass man) giving an organization verbal acceptance... the fact that he is the only one breaking the agreement today tends to make me think this is a bit different.

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People aren't allowed to change their minds before signing a contract?

The whole "He gave his word!" thing is bull**** and you know it. He did no such thing. He said yeah, I want to go back to Texas to play. The he slept on it and thought "That was pretty stupid. My bad."

Guess we need to tell a number of kids on the football team that they're scum because they committed elsewhere before signing with the Ags.

****ing hypocrites..

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For the love of God...it's the way he did it you half-wit. Changing your mind 5 days later knowing that you're completely destroying the next few years of a franchise is one thing...not cool, but still within the realm of ok. Avoiding having to talk to the franchise and tell them what is happening is what sets this apart.

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knowing that you're completely destroying the next few years of a franchise

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My favorite player pulls an absolute bush league move. Very very immature.

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People aren't allowed to change their minds before signing a contract?

The whole "He gave his word!" thing is bull**** and you know it. He did no such thing. He said yeah, I want to go back to Texas to play. The he slept on it and thought "That was pretty stupid. My bad."

Guess we need to tell a number of kids on the football team that they're scum because they committed elsewhere before signing with the Ags.

****ing hypocrites..

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I think its crap when football recruits change their mind, especially late in the game. But they're teenagers and I realize teenagers inevitably make mistakes because they've got limited exposure to the real world and they're still learning and all those things you expect to have happened by the team they're 26 or 27 years old like De'Andre.

Now, I'll still welcome them to Aggieland. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite, as I don't have any expectation for the Clippers to tell DeAndre they don't want him and I don't think the Clippers should do that. This isn't their fault.


(Legally, sometimes you're not allowed to change your mind before signing. People rely on verbal agreements to their potential detriment if the other side flakes out all the time, and so sometimes the law steps in and calls bull****. Its a basic tenant of contract law.)

Now, I'm not going to say DeAndre Jordan had a legally binding contract with Dallas, but I think the idea holds anyways.

These are big stakes. There are huge implications. Free agency moves fast. To think you've locked in $80 million in a salary capped league has gigantic implications for the Dallas Mavericks and NBA players.

De'Andre Jordan just wasted a bunch of the Mavericks time and effort. If the Mavericks missed on other players because of it- and it sure sounds like they did- it hurts the Mavericks really, really bad. If DeAndre wasn't sure of it, he should have slept on it before agreeing with the Mavericks.

Its immature. Its unprofessional. Its all sorts of things that you'd expect out of a high school kid- like those football recruits you just referenced.

There is just way, way, way too much at stake for this to have been OK.

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Dallas fans pretending to be indignant Aggies.

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This isn't about what team you like/dislike. It's about a former Aggie making an ass of himself and doing something almost unheard of.

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Sure it isn't. You honestly believe so many people on TexAgs would have been up in arms had the team in question been the Raptors or Wizards? No way.

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It'd be equally as bull**** if he did it to Washington or Toronto. And I'm sure their fans would be up in arms over it and I wouldn't blame them.

Yeah, we're Mavericks fans so we were paying more attention to this and we care more about it. That's just the way life works.

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Dallas fans pretending to be indignant Aggies.

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This isn't about what team you like/dislike. It's about a former Aggie making an ass of himself and doing something almost unheard of.

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Sure it isn't. You honestly believe so many people on TexAgs would have been up in arms had the team in question been the Raptors or Wizards? No way.

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It'd be equally as bull**** if he did it to Washington or Toronto. And I'm sure their fans would be up in arms over it and I wouldn't blame them.

Yeah, we're Mavericks fans so we were paying more attention to this and we care more about it. That's just the way life works.

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I can sympathize with being pissed as a Mavericks fan, but the false indignation by a lot of people on here directed towards him somehow damaging A&M's reputation or all of a sudden being a horrible representative is laughable.

"I hate him now because I love the Mavs and hate that he hurt the franchise" rings a lot more true than "He isn't a person of integrity because he didn't honor a verbal commitment. He's making all of us Aggies look bad."

Tango Mike,

I've seen one or two Aggie basketball games.

Jordan did 2 things well when he played here, he ran the floor, was a good shot-blocker.

He was an offensive liability, he had no shot, no down-low moves, couldn't shoot a jump shot, couldn't make a free throw, looked lost out there, like he didn't know even the basics of the offense.

His sole goal on defense was to block shots, he had no concept of help-defense, took too many chances, was often out of position.

Towards the end of the season, he contributed so little that Turgeon didn't even start him.

RR

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Tango Mike,

I've seen one or two Aggie basketball games.

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Yes, I could believe this

deAndre handled things poorly and deserves some mocking by the pundits. But hard to feel sorry for billionaire Cuban, Jordan with his 88 million, Balmer. Blake, Dirk, or any of the other millionaires and billionaires involved in what was basically a business transaction that turned into an 8th grade breakup drama. They will probably all be okay. everybody still getting paid.

Good night that's some awful points ^. Dirks last few good years are destroyed But hey Dirk gets paid guys!

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Good night that's some awful points ^. Dirks last few good years are destroyed But hey Dirk gets paid guys!

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But some Chris Paul and Blake Griffin prime years are perhaps saved. And a last go around for Paul Pierce!

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what was basically a business transaction that turned into an 8th grade breakup drama

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Yea. That's a pretty reasonable description. I just don't understand why he handled it that way. Maybe I'm old fashioned but if you 1) verbally agree to an 80 million dollar contract and 2) tell the person who offered you 80 million dollars that you will meet with him one more time to talk about the fact that you're getting cold feet, then you should talk to that person. Ignoring phone calls is literally how an 8th grade girl handles breakups.

The fact that this was an 80 million dollar contract from a sports team probably worth a billion and a half dollars makes that behavior and the whole thing... almost surreal.

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Tango Mike,

I've seen one or two Aggie basketball games.

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Yes, I could believe this

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Well, I saw'em all. And that pretty much still sums it up. Either way, College ball has been accused lately of becoming more like the NBA...appears NBA is becoming like college game in this respect. It'll all blow over and soon we'll be watching who can pick n roll and penetrate and kick the best.

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My favorite player pulls an absolute bush league move. Very very immature.

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People aren't allowed to change their minds before signing a contract?

The whole "He gave his word!" thing is bull**** and you know it. He did no such thing. He said yeah, I want to go back to Texas to play. The he slept on it and thought "That was pretty stupid. My bad."

Guess we need to tell a number of kids on the football team that they're scum because they committed elsewhere before signing with the Ags.

****ing hypocrites..

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I think its crap when football recruits change their mind, especially late in the game. But they're teenagers and I realize teenagers inevitably make mistakes because they've got limited exposure to the real world and they're still learning and all those things you expect to have happened by the team they're 26 or 27 years old like De'Andre.

Now, I'll still welcome them to Aggieland. I don't think that makes me a hypocrite, as I don't have any expectation for the Clippers to tell DeAndre they don't want him and I don't think the Clippers should do that. This isn't their fault.


(Legally, sometimes you're not allowed to change your mind before signing. People rely on verbal agreements to their potential detriment if the other side flakes out all the time, and so sometimes the law steps in and calls bull****. Its a basic tenant of contract law.)

Now, I'm not going to say DeAndre Jordan had a legally binding contract with Dallas, but I think the idea holds anyways.

These are big stakes. There are huge implications. Free agency moves fast. To think you've locked in $80 million in a salary capped league has gigantic implications for the Dallas Mavericks and NBA players.

De'Andre Jordan just wasted a bunch of the Mavericks time and effort. If the Mavericks missed on other players because of it- and it sure sounds like they did- it hurts the Mavericks really, really bad. If DeAndre wasn't sure of it, he should have slept on it before agreeing with the Mavericks.

Its immature. Its unprofessional. Its all sorts of things that you'd expect out of a high school kid- like those football recruits you just referenced.

There is just way, way, way too much at stake for this to have been OK.

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This is business. Nothing is official until there is a legally binding contract signed. That's the way it is in the real world.

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deAndre handled things poorly and deserves some mocking by the pundits. But hard to feel sorry for billionaire Cuban, Jordan with his 88 million, Balmer. Blake, Dirk, or any of the other millionaires and billionaires involved in what was basically a business transaction that turned into an 8th grade breakup drama. They will probably all be okay. everybody still getting paid.

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Business deals go south all the time, and new alliances are formed.

This would be... Tuesday in Donald Trump's World

Back in L.A.

I'm pretty sure Griffin and Paul wouldn't have been sent to the bottom after this. And neither are at the end and 36. Awful points, simply awful.

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I'm pretty sure Griffin and Paul wouldn't have been sent to the bottom after this.

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I'm sure the passionate Clippers fan would see your point here (i.e., not very interested in being a legit championship contender, as long as not at the bottom then all is good), and right now is feeling lots of sympathy for the Mavs.

Don't really care which roster Jordan is on as personally I'm not a big NBA follower, but do agree that Jordan did seem to handle the past week pretty poorly. He deserved a bit of a beating in the media. However, I don't think him not actually being on the Mavs roster, versus the Clippers, is some huge sports injustice. The Clippers helped their cause to stay a legit contender in the West while some pundits seem to be suggesting that it may now be in the best interest for the Mavs to deliberately 'tank'.

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Now, I'm not going to say DeAndre Jordan had a legally binding contract with Dallas

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This is business. Nothing is official until there is a legally binding contract signed. That's the way it is in the real world.

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Well, no, that's not always how it works. But yes, I'm not saying DeAndre Jordan was in a legally binding contract- I think the CBA specifically addresses this scenario (because everyone's lawyers are well aware of how easy it can be to form a verbal contract)

But the whole idea behind enforcing verbal contracts applies as to why DeAndre pulled a bush league, bull**** move. That was my point.

It changed how the Mavericks carried on business. I have no doubt everyone thinking the Mavericks committed $20 million a year for four years changed how the Mavericks approached and treated other players and how other players approached and treated the Mavericks.

In other words the Mavs act in their own best interests. Same as Jordan !

4 pages of Whiney bull ****.

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Now, I'm not going to say DeAndre Jordan had a legally binding contract with Dallas

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This is business. Nothing is official until there is a legally binding contract signed. That's the way it is in the real world.

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Well, no, that's not always how it works. But yes, I'm not saying DeAndre Jordan was in a legally binding contract- I think the CBA specifically addresses this scenario (because everyone's lawyers are well aware of how easy it can be to form a verbal contract)

But the whole idea behind enforcing verbal contracts applies as to why DeAndre pulled a bush league, bull**** move. That was my point.

It changed how the Mavericks carried on business. I have no doubt everyone thinking the Mavericks committed $20 million a year for four years changed how the Mavericks approached and treated other players and how other players approached and treated the Mavericks.

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That was not in the post i quoted. There's aren't a lot of ethical standards on the 'net, but you just broke one. Ban user.

Maybe he just took a look at what Cuban was going to surround him with and just decided "that's not a very good team over there".

What's so great about the Clippers? Chris Paul in a decade in the league hasn't ever gotten out of the secound round, Griffin is a one trick pony. And even in Dirks advanced basketball age is still better than Blake. Parsons is better than anyone that they've got at the three. Matthews is better than anyone they've got at the two. So basicly the Clippers have the edge with the giant empty bag that's Chris Paul, big regular season numbers, can't ever lead and put a team on his back in the playoffs,

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What's so great about the Clippers? Chris Paul in a decade in the league hasn't ever gotten out of the secound round, Griffin is a one trick pony. And even in Dirks advanced basketball age is still better than Blake. Parsons is better than anyone that they've got at the three. Matthews is better than anyone they've got at the two. So basicly the Clippers have the edge with the giant empty bag that's Chris Paul, big regular season numbers, can't ever lead and put a team on his back in the playoffs,

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In a thread full of dumb posts, this one takes the cake

The Clips were more affected by the Jordan leaving than is obvious. FiveThirtyEight did an analysis that does a serviceable job of framing the change. Of course, if they stayed pat with Udoh...

How so? It's true in a decade Paul has never led a team to much in the playoffs. It's true Parsons is a better there than anyone they have. Same for Matthews at the two. And you really think Griffin is a better four than Dirk? What because he can dunk better? Look the collection of parts is better than what the Mavs have. But the Clippers are a 2nd rate organization that's never won anything.

Just when I thought he was going to have to grow up and sincerely apologize about the way he went about the situation, he does this. What a childish *******. I don't understand how some of you morons won't at least admit what he did was wrong. I don't care what team it is. The way in which he committed to sign with the mavs, then ignored team management for 2 days while they could have been trying to get another center is BS.

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I want to publicly apologize to one of the best owners in the world @MCuban, the @DallasMavs and their fans.

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I am humbled by @DallasMavs & @MCuban kindness and understanding. I am sorry to have a change of heart.

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Followed up a couple hours later by this.

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Let's get back to talking about basketball and winning games in 2015. Thank You! #ClipperNation @clippersteveb #Home

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