From wacarnolds after the loss to Vanderbilt on the road:

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That's now 7 losses to teams outside the kenpom100 in 2 years under Kennedy, including 5 this year.

In 7 years under turgeon and BCG, we had ZERO

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It's because they aren't HIS players.

Wow

When will the players become his.

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It's because they aren't HIS players.

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According to many on this site Turg is a crappy coach that didn't win with his players.

Is it possible...I know this is a stretch...is it possible that BK isn't coaching them very well??

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It's because they aren't HIS players.

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And Lon krueger's players aren't HIS players

And Jim Crews' players aren't HIS players

And Johnny Jones' players aren't HIS players

And Roman Banks' players aren't HIS players

And Frank Haith's players aren't HIS players

And Mike Anderson's players aren't HIS players

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When will the players become his.

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When half the starting lineup was recruited by him?

jorts,

Now, you are saying it is the players' fault. What happen to supporting the team and all Aggies campaign? BK is not an Aggie, but those players will always be.

what are you talking about? someone asked when his team can be labeled his team. My answer is pretty simple. Right now, he's playing with inherited players. And I love every one of them.

Don't try to put different words in my mouth to suit your agenda.

Jorts, do you expect things to get better when Kennedy has "his" players?

I hope they get better soon. I really think Shawn is a difference maker, and I think Fabyon and Caruso are coming along quickly.

If they're not better by this time next season, I won't be pumping sunshine.

So, yes? You expect things to get better when he has "his players"?

sure i do. by definition, when we have more scholarship players on the team, we should absolutely be better. and any schollie players we get are "his players."

not sure that I'm understanding fully what your query is.

Early is was about starters that weren't recruited by him...now its about total numbers?

Anyways, why do you think it will get better with more scholarship players? Do you think guys like Jahns aren't very good D-1 basketball players?

wacarnolds
posted 4:12p, 02/17/13



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It's because they aren't HIS players.

And Lon Krueger's players aren't HIS players

And Jim Crews' players aren't HIS players

And Johnny Jones' players aren't HIS players

And Roman Banks' players aren't HIS players

And Frank Haith's players aren't HIS players

And Mike Anderson's players aren't HIS players



Good point as is the OP. Amazing that BCG was that consistent off the bat.

Bad times.

My post was dripping in sarcasm ...

If you'll look at a thread from a few days ago about what should get a poster banned, my selection was "when he gets his players".

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Don't try to put different words in my mouth to suit your agenda.

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You implied it. If it is not his team, then their failure is not his fault. Yes, I do have an agenda, but you do most of my work for me by posting on TexAgs.

[This message has been edited by czar_iv (edited 2/17/2013 5:43p).]

While Turgeon didn't get the huge wins we craved, he never had as many awful loses as Kennedy is racking up at an alarming rate. The his players excuse is laughable. Good coaches simply win. Bad coaches make excuses and have people to make excuses about needing more talent out their players.

Every coach has HIS players even if he didn't recruit them. They may or may not be the optimum but rarely does a coach at most programs get the optimum players.

Great coaches adapt "their" system to "his" players. You can slightly modify a system and generally get it to work consistently.

And that's the question, XL2. Is Kennedy not playing to the existing players' skill sets? Is he too steadfast to instill his system when he should be doing so more gradually?

I honestly don't know.

The way I choose to view this is that the players he's brought in have mostly improved, and others he's brought in haven't gotten to play due to eligibility. I'm sure my view is skewed toward wanting him to succeed as many here are skewed toward wanting him to fail enough to be gone.

When you don't have a system it's hard to come up with one. That's what is going on now.

You don't think he has a system? That he's just freelancing?

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skewed toward wanting him to fail enough to be gone

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I don't think any true Aggies here want to see BK fail; just like we didn't want fran to fail or Sherman to fail. We are simply posting what we see. Are we experts? Of course not, but our eyes are telling us something and we post it.

[This message has been edited by czar_iv (edited 2/17/2013 5:50p).]

Some have already been convinced that he's not the answer and are worried that he is setting us back. Those posters outnumber the others here. And no matter what happens in a game, they're negative. Maroon Dawn and machine20 spring to mind. They only want to point out the failures and if we beat a good ole miss or Missouri or Kentucky team, they bring up Southern.

To me, yes, those who only look for the bad want him to fail so we can make another failed attempt to get Buzz or Bruce Pearl or whoever the flavor of the week is.

People don't show up for games because they say we are not good enough to waste their time. Some say it's out of protest. They say they'll be back when the team has a good coach and is doing well. Funny thing about that is no coach wants to come here because of the lack of support. So we'll just be running in circles.

DARK AGES?
BK 2012-13 15-10 05-07
BK 2011-12 14-18 04-14
MT 2010-11 24-09 10-06 NCAA
MT 2009-10 24-10 11-05 NCAA
MT 2008-09 24-10 09-07 NCAA
MT 2007-08 25-11 08-08 NCAA
BG 2006-07 27-07 13-03 NCAA
BG 2005-06 22-09 10-06 NCAA
BG 2004-05 21-10 08-08 NIT
DARK AGES






[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 2/17/2013 7:29p).]

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You don't think he has a system?

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Honestly, if he has a system I can't figure out what it is.

I will say that we do play pretty good defense. Not great defense, but certainly good enough to win in the SEC. The offense, such as it is, is a total mystery.

I've watched this mans work for almost 2 seasons and can't figure out his system. It's like he is grasping at straws and reacting to massive problems the game before. If ET doesn't go off its pretty much game over. Again I'm pretty sure our front court is bad, but I begged for games early in the season to pound the ball inside and get these guys going. Other than the first half against Houston it was all about the guards. Our bigs set screans or did useless handoffs up top.

that's a damning statistic...and then some

It's alarming. Some how Turgeon and Gillispie avoided the awful lose. Kennedy is racking them up. Turgeon had his share of stinkers, but they were to teams better than or even with us. Kennedy regularly finds ways to lose. One week things look better than the next game it's right back to scratching your head trying to figure out what he is trying to do.

When BCG took over Watkin's 0-17 squad I don't remember everyone talking about how great the team was that he inherited; yet in his first season he went to the NIT, in his second he went to the NCAA, and in his third the NCAA Sweet 16. Again, in retrospect BCG developed a talented squad that Watkins went 0-17 with... At what point does Kennedy take responsibility for his team's record?

I hear a lot of criticism for Turgeon, yet Turgeon never won fewer than 24 games here. A coach can only be responsible for the record while he is head coach... he shouldn't be blamed for however long the next coach fails.

In the Kennedy era the Rice and Southern losses are the most frustrating. Kennedy losing to a bad Big 12 or bad SEC team is one thing, but losing to teams like those mentioned above is like Sherman losing to Arkansas State - it should never happen.







[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 2/17/2013 6:54p).]

Kennedy is going to get a 3rd year barring some surprising development. I think we'll know for sure if things are going to work out by this time next year.

The first season was too screwed up to form much opinion on anything.

I remember many posters on this board and Premium absolutely convinced that Kennedy would not be able to recruit anybody with a pulse after the Parkinson's diagnosis. It was 'game over' recruiting wise according to the TexAgs internet coaches and recruiting experts.

Since then, Kennedy got Fabyon Harris, Shawn Smith, Andrew Young, Antwan Space (transfer), Tony Trocha, Fitzgerald, and Tavario Miller (who Frank Martin at South Carolina was hard after). Argue all you want about how good or not some of those recruits are, but at least a few of them certainly rate good enough to be considered 'a recruit with a pulse".

This second season has been pretty frustating. I'm personally on the fence right now, maybe even leaning towards the side of thinking the staff may not work out. BUT, the recruiting has been interesting and there are still some decent reasons to think he *might* still pull it out. No doubt he'll get at least a 3rd year to get a fair chance to do that.


[This message has been edited by Pumpkinhead (edited 2/17/2013 7:03p).]

...please...just, please...let us get a different HC for next year...please

I would be amazed if we got a new coach. Not happening for another year or so, if then.

What I want is this coach to improve the product on the floor.

The problem is I have been through enough coaches in enough sports to know that the coach indicates pretty early on whether he has it or he doesn't.

So far, even giving BK a mulligan for last year, he does not look to have it.

If you count last year, then he definitely doesn't look to have it.

I cannot remember the last coach in any major men's sport who had to have a rebuilding period and went on to be successful overall.

I guess maybe Childress in baseball but the program was floundering before he got here and his first year was terrible. His second year, he made the super regionals.

The talent excuse is overplayed. Good coaches make due with what they have. No one was talking about the talent BCG inherited until after he won with it. I guarantee you no one, on this board thought BCG was inheriting two NBA first rounders in his first year.

Even Turgeon who struggled at times his first season managed to win over 20 games and make it to the tournament. And he came into a situation where he lost arguably A&M's best player ever.

I see plenty of excuses for BK's performance so far and little in the way of results.

Don't kid yourself. BK's ability to beat good SEC teams and then lose the dregs of the conference and teams like Southern are a pretty damning commentary on his coaching abilities.

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Kennedy is going to get a 3rd year barring some surprising development. I think we'll know for sure if things are going to work out by this time next year.

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I made a similar quote at the beginning of this year, except that we'd "know" by halfway through conference play.

We're deep enough into his tenure here and we're not only losing to 100+ RPI teams, we're *consistently* losing to them.