A&M Cannon Documentation?

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I'm the Adjutant for American Legion Post 159 in Bryan. Today I was sorting through historical documents and ran across this, dated 1950. Would these cannons have been used or be in current use by the Corps of Cadets? It appears so, but what do I know?

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I assume you know that A&M cadets trained with horses, cannon, machine guns, etc. before WWII.

I thought that most of that equipment was returned to DoW around or soon after WWII.

They did continue to train with rifles up until at least 1970, because my brother '74 trained with rifles, and dorms 1-12 had armory rooms with bars on the windows, converted to storage or dorm rooms by my day.

And the current "Spirit of '02" cannon was found near Easterwood around 1975.

However, there have been photos posted here of Aggie cadets firing a cannon during football games in the 1950s or 1960s.

I wonder if this was for those cannons, or other temporary use on campus.
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CanyonAg77 said:

I assume you know that A&M cadets trained with horses, cannon, machine guns, etc. before WWII.


That had not occurred to us, Dude.
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Jake Betty '73 lives in CS, I'll bet he knows as much about the history of our cannon as anyone. Or drop a note to John Adams '73, he's written a ton of books on A&M.
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BaitShack said:

CanyonAg77 said:

I assume you know that A&M cadets trained with horses, cannon, machine guns, etc. before WWII.


That had not occurred to us, Dude.

Hey, I ran into a 2026 grad who had never heard of, much less seen, "We've Never Been Licked"

I never assume anyone is as big a history nerd as I am
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This document is an official U.S. Army War Department Shipping Order (dated July 20, 1950) authorizing the transfer of two surplus WWII-era anti-tank guns to Texas A&M for military training and ceremonial/display purposes.

Key Takeaways from the Order:

The Equipment:
Two 57mm Anti-Tank Guns (M1) on M1A2 Carriages: The 57mm gun was the standard U.S. towed anti-tank artillery piece used extensively during World War II.

The Origin & Destination:
Sender: Office of the Chief of Ordnance, Dept. of the Army (Washington, D.C.), issued via the Red River Arsenal in Texarkana, Texas.

Recipient: The ROTC Instructor Group at the Agricultural & Mechanical College of Texas (Texas A&M) in College Station.
Care of (c/o): John J. Stasny, Adjutant at the Earl Graham American Legion Post No. 159 in Bryan, Texas.

Status and Demilitarization:
Demilitarized Status: The order specifies that the guns must undergo demilitarization procedures under OPSD 6400 (rendering the breech mechanisms and firing capability permanently inoperable) prior to delivery.

Government Donation Rules: The red-stamped text highlights standard federal surplus donation terms under Public Law 537 (enacted in 1942), stating the government donates the equipment free of charge, but the recipient must cover all packing, handling, and commercial freight shipping expenses.

Historical Context (Post-WWII / Korean War Era):
Issued just weeks after the outbreak of the Korean War in June 1950, this transfer reflects the post-WWII disposition of military hardwaredecommissioning surplus artillery pieces for campus reserve training units, display grounds, or ceremonial drill use by the Corps of Cadets and local veterans groups.
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To answer the last part of your question, those cannons must have been returned to a depot or given to the American Legion for display - they certainly weren't on campus in the early '80s. Most people aren't aware that surplus military hardware can still be requisitioned for display by veterans' or responsible civic groups. So, if you're willing to put your name on the dotted line, you can requisition items including artillery pieces, tanks, anchors, ship's propellors, and even aircraft.
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We got a tank a few months ago

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Cleaned up and re-painted


JA83
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Pretty cool - You have it displayed nicely. Is it a 1st gen Patton?
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BaitShack said:

We got a tank a few months ago



Where is it?
CanyonAg77
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I'm gonna guess it's at American Legion Post 159 in Bryan, going by the OP
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sharpdressedman said:

BaitShack said:

We got a tank a few months ago



Where is it?

101 Waco Street, Bryan 77803
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JA83 said:

Pretty cool - You have it displayed nicely. Is it a 1st gen Patton?

I'm not sure…

Model: M47 Serial: 1372 Nomenclature: Tank, Combat, Full Tracked, 90MM
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Recall 1963-64 105mm howitzer Old Sarge?
https://bookreader.library.tamu.edu/book.php?id=yb1964&getbook=Go#page/n33/mode/1up
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Recall 1963-64 105mm howitzer Old Sarge?
https://bookreader.library.tamu.edu/book.php?id=yb1964&getbook=Go#page/n33/mode/1up
CanyonAg77
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I knew someone had posted that photo earlier, but I couldn't find it. Thanks for digging it up. I wonder if any old Ags know the back story?
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That was a towed 105mm howitzer on loan from a FA Bn of the TxARNG for the game. One of the 'crew' members was a p-head that worked with me years ago at the civil engineering firm I was in. Said when they fired it in the 1st half it almost broke the windows in the press box across the field. They were firing a too large ceremonial charge. There was a couple of guardsmen from the unit there to insure they didn't kill anyone with it. SWC passed rules shortly thereafter restricting actual military artillery pieces being used at games. Lasted for about 15 years until they found the 3" 1902 field gun out near Easterwood and refurbished it into what we see now. Edit this if you have better facts/recollections.
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My Dad '67, found 2 of the 3" inch guns in the woods around 64 or 65 while hunting around Easterwood. The carriages were missing and the guns were apparently junk and discarded decades before.
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The 105 mm howitzer was again borrowed from the local reserve unit for the Arkansas game in 1964. We didn't get to fire it much that evening. We were outscored 0-17. Several of us former FDT members, me included, were on the firing team.
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I know one was found in '74 during Bonfire cut. I saw them dragging it out of a creek bottom just before doubling over and puking my guts out from the two chaws of chewing tobacco our Pissheads required us to chew that morning.

I always believed that was the cannon that was refurbished and used at Kyle the following years.
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