bigtruckguy3500 said:
inconvenient truth said:
bigtruckguy3500 said:
Ulysses90 said:
bigtruckguy3500 said:
It wasn't even that long ago that a lot of the people making a fuss about an expedited emergency use authorization (after extensive testing on 10s of thousands) were the same ones complaining about how long the FDA takes to approve drugs compared with Europe and other places.
Regardless, the drug was FDA approved under an EUA, so by definition not experimental. It just underwent a different approval process that has precedent dating back decades.
The issue is that it was politicized early, and people choose their side based on party lines, which makes everything worse. And at this point there is virtually no convincing anyone to change their mind.
"By that definition"? What good are protocols and procedures for public safety if the FDA officials disregard them for political experience and personal accrual of royalties ? If they ignored protocols to sign the EUA, it means nothing, just like their paths to do no harm.
FDA and officials moved to those positions from NIH where they patented many of the molecules that they were later approving as members of the FDA boards. IIRC, Bobby Kennedy Jr. stated in his book on Fauci that all of the most recent 200 drugs approved by the FDA were based on molecules invented and patented by NIH before they were given to pharmaceutical companies for commercialization. The same civil servants that patented these drugs collected royalties as patent holders. It is a system of perverse incentives that is amplified by the revolving door to semi-retirement as a pharmaceutical company executives.
Nobody, least of all those who were subject to the UCMJ, actually were informed of the risks to be able to consent.
Then again, I might be biased because I saw first hand a lot of unvaccinated people (even pretty healthy people) end up in the ICU or dead. And a lot of vaccinated people with mild symptoms.
Funny I saw first hand the exact opposite. Anecdotes are fun!
Yeah, perspective and vantage point matters. I saw everything you did. But I work in a hospital and have added perspective.
Data is also fun. But many people refuse to acknowledge the data.
Hate to come over the top of your medical credentials but I did 3 years of Covid in Los Angeles County. You might call it first hand field research.
I lived next door to a hospital and around the corner from an urgent care type of clinic where I saw lines of people Covid testing every day so they could work on set at their entertainment job.
I even spent one night in the hospital next to my house after a doctor told me I would be dead in 7 days from the December 2020 Covid that was credited with killing 15,000 people in LA County.
Seemed like the socially prudent thing to do. I have to admit that I did feel like a spy though getting an inside view of what was going on in the hospital during peak Covid when hospitals in LA were allegedly stacking up bodies in the gift shop and running out of oxygen, etc.
The really fun part was my neighbors treating me like a leper from January 2021 through September 2021 because I had Covid in December 2020 and made the mistake of telling them that I had it.
Since you're into data, the best data point I can give you is from July 2021 when my neighbor who was an avid boxer got carted off to the hospital for 2 days by an ambulance because he was sick with Covid. Impossible, right? After all, he got the vax.
And of course there was the late 2021, get the vax or lose your job. Yeah, makes sense for a virus that I'd already had 3 times by that point.
And the maskers... When I bailed out in August 2023, it was still 20% maskers at my grocery store.
Nevermind what my daughter who was Class of 2020 went through.
Yes, tell me more about the data LOL.
Edited to add: In June 2020 we were given a tight time window to get into the VMI barracks to turn in stuff and claim personal stuff from the room. We spent that night in Lexington, VA and got to visit with a couple guys who Commissioned into the Navy who were about to report for duty.
To begin their Navy Careers, they had to quarantine on base for 14 days ahead of their school starting. So much science happening back in 2020 - 2021.
