Following quote is from a thread in Premium concerning thoughts at the tu game this weekend. Any thoughts on the source of this claim?

It's funny they would claim this during a football game against Florida but, on top of that, I can't help but question their source.

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5. They made the claim on the big screen that they commission more officers than A&M which seems like the most insane thing to claim when their own website shows that they average 34 commissions a year and we commissioned 165 just in our May graduation. So either they are the most shameful liars or I'm missing something.

Yep I'm in a text group and the Horns are all crowing about how we are fake army and they commission more officers than we do.

Hopefully we have someone who can grab some DOD evidence to show that is false. They won't believe an A&M website.

They aren't too good at math over in hippyville. Last I checked, 170 is more than 34.

Aggieland Proud said:

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Following quote is from a thread in Premium concerning thoughts at the tu game this weekend. Any thoughts on the source of this claim?

It's funny they would claim this during a football game against Florida but, on top of that, I can't help but question their source.

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5. They made the claim on the big screen that they commission more officers than A&M which seems like the most insane thing to claim when their own website shows that they average 34 commissions a year and we commissioned 165 just in our May graduation. So either they are the most shameful liars or I'm missing something.

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I suspect some idiot in their sports information department googled the numbers from A&M's August commissioning (the smallest of the three) and assumed it was for the entire year.

My buddy swears they have more ROTC members than we do. But nothing in the internet supports his assertion. He was army rotc there back in rhe 80',s. He claims they have over 2000 in their Air Force ROTC right now. I've called bull shot.

Here's the entirety of their AFROTC - drawing from 6 different schools:

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My buddy swears they have more ROTC members than we do. But nothing in the internet supports his assertion. He was army rotc there back in rhe 80',s. He claims they have over 2000 in their Air Force ROTC right now. I've called bull shot.

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So that would imply something like 500 commissions per year.

As CB17 points out, USAFA commissions almost 1,000

From that never-wrong source of all correct data here is what Google says:
During the 2011 through 2021 school years, The University of Texas at Austin had an average enrollment of 37,837.5 US resident students of whom an average of 85.9 enrolled in ROTC each year and 34.5 earned an ROTC commission each year.

Went back and read his claim. He said 825 in Air Force ROTC and total of 2000 for all. Which they claim makes them larger because the majority of the Corps does not take a Commision. Of course he said the GAO numbers are laughable. Need to find a UT yearbook to settle this .

Still they repeatedly posted this at their stadium on Saturday - that they Commision more officers than we do.

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Went back and read his claim. He said 825 in Air Force ROTC and total of 2000 for all. Which they claim makes them larger because the majority of the Corps does not take a Commision. Of course he said the GAO numbers are laughable. Need to find a UT yearbook to settle this .

Still they repeatedly posted this at their stadium on Saturday - that they Commision more officers than we do.

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Anecdotes aren't facts.

However, I've only met one C-17 pilot that went to Texas.

I can tell you though at one point my squadron had 5 Ags.

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Went back and read his claim. He said 825 in Air Force ROTC and total of 2000 for all. Which they claim makes them larger because the majority of the Corps does not take a Commision. Of course he said the GAO numbers are laughable. Need to find a UT yearbook to settle this .

Still they repeatedly posted this at their stadium on Saturday - that they Commision more officers than we do.

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Ask him where he's getting his BS numbers from. When he comes back with some crap like the tu info services or reddit, or some other slanted source ask his dumbazz what's more believable...a neutral and disinterested GAO or some self-serving tu media link.

I know he'll go with the sip sources, because I'll bet he is just jerking you off now....

And, LOL, that 825 number isn't the number of AFROTC cadets...it's their freaking Det number...Det 825....olololololol...A&M is Det 805

"During the 2011 through 2021 school years, The University of Texas at Austin had an average enrollment of 37,837.5 US resident students of whom an average of 85.9 enrolled in ROTC each year and 34.5 earned an ROTC commission each year"

"Texas A&M University's Air Force ROTC Detachment 805 is the largest AFROTC detachment in the country, with over 650 cadets enrolled each fall. Texas A&M's AFROTC program is also one of the oldest in the nation, established in the early 1920s."

A&M averages 40% commission rate for all ROTC elements each year

Which, as noted above, doesn't even account for all the non ROTC commissioning sources many cadets pursue. When you add in those programs the number is over 50%. Not to mention non-regs who go to OTS.

Kudos to all the major Florida schools for making the top 20 list. Texas needs to step up. With that said, no way that list is accurate with woke schools like CU and Washington on there. Wouldn't surprise me if the government is manipulating the data of certain schools and/or purging conservative cadets from the ranks.

I know for a fact that in the SEC LSU, Bama, Arkansas, OU, Ole Miss, MSU, UGA, USC, UK, the real UT etc have extremely robust ROTC programs that commission tons of high quality officers every year (along with A&M, Auburn and UF who are on the list). That's true even with the military being unpopular since 2021.

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Kudos to all the major Florida schools for making the top 20 list. Texas needs to step up. With that said, no way that list is accurate with woke schools like CU and Washington on there. Wouldn't surprise me if the government is manipulating the data of certain schools and/or purging conservative cadets from the ranks.

I know for a fact that in the SEC LSU, Bama, Arkansas, OU, Ole Miss, MSU, UGA, USC, UK, the real UT etc have extremely robust ROTC programs that commission tons of high quality officers every year (along with A&M, Auburn and UF who are on the list). That's true even with the military being unpopular since 2021.

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It's a perspective, sure, but what you may not be taking into account regarding the woke schools, in woke states, is that officer candidates in those areas don't have a lot of choices where they can enroll in ROTC (unlike the Southern states for example), so their numbers get concentrated into fewer, or one, location.

About the time I was was commissioned (mid-80's) the AF started cutting ROTC programs they considered not cost effective because of no/low numbers (also was tied into the BRAC effort to reduce cost and personnel). What they tried to do was have candidates from programs that were cut participate in programs that weren't. Sometimes that meant commuting for Air Science class and ROTC training to another school or transferring schools altogether.

This reduction in programs would naturally be amplified in woke states/schools given that overall participation would have been lower.

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Ag of Northern Virginia said:

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Kudos to all the major Florida schools for making the top 20 list. Texas needs to step up. With that said, no way that list is accurate with woke schools like CU and Washington on there. Wouldn't surprise me if the government is manipulating the data of certain schools and/or purging conservative cadets from the ranks.

I know for a fact that in the SEC LSU, Bama, Arkansas, OU, Ole Miss, MSU, UGA, USC, UK, the real UT etc have extremely robust ROTC programs that commission tons of high quality officers every year (along with A&M, Auburn and UF who are on the list). That's true even with the military being unpopular since 2021.

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It a perspective, sure, but what you may not be taking into account regrading the woke schools, in woke states, is that officer candidates in those areas don't have a lot of choices where they can enroll in ROTC (unlike the Southern states for example), so their numbers get concentrated into fewer, or one, location.

About the time I was was commissioned (mid-80's) the AF started cutting ROTC programs they considered not cost effective because of no/low numbers (also was tied into the BRAC effort to reduce cost and personnel). What they tried to do was have candidates from programs that were cut participate in programs that weren't. Sometimes that meant commuting for Air Science class and ROTC training to another school or transferring schools altogether.

This reduction in programs would naturally be amplified in woke states/schools given that overall participation would have been lower.

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It is somewhat amusing that one of the wokest of woke schools - Cal Berkeley - is a Morrill land grant school (actually, the entire UC system is) and thus required to offer ROTC in at least some form. I know they had at least Army and Navy when I was at UC Davis. I know NROTC midships at a minimum bussed across the Bay from Stanford for their NROTC stuff.

When I was at UCD (1992-1996) Army ROTC shut down the program at Chico State. UCD only had AROTC. I had a roommate sophomore year who was in AFROTC, and had to go to Sac(ramento) State for that.

My entire commissioning class at UCD was barely into double digits, and several of those were engineering grads on the 5+ year plan.

The one school I was a bit surprised not to see in the top 20 on the GAO list was BYU. They had a pretty big program back in the 90s.