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Cell phones in the field? Or vs near peer enemy?
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We were threatened with Field Grade Article 15s for taking our phones to JRTC or even the field.
We were threatened whenever we went to the field too, but the 19D's still used snapchat's map for intel.
I have heard about this going on for several years. everyone keeps there phone on and then all it takes is one rocket.
Wasn't there a problem a few years ago, when Special Ops guys were posting their daily workouts to Apps such as Strava?
Places that we "didn't have Spec Ops deployed" suddenly had a bunch of SpecOps guys' workout routes showing up.
Places that we "didn't have Spec Ops deployed" suddenly had a bunch of SpecOps guys' workout routes showing up.
as long as they were getting their daily CrossFit in.. I mean thats what matters right...
Yes, and because they (we, but I'm not SF/it wasn't just a problem with SF) ran the perimeter road, it gave an idea how big the area was.CanyonAg77 said:
Wasn't there a problem a few years ago, when Special Ops guys were posting their daily workouts to Apps such as Strava?
Places that we "didn't have Spec Ops deployed" suddenly had a bunch of SpecOps guys' workout routes showing up.
The Army gets it, but it's a chore convincing soldiers that any emission can get them killed.
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The event that brought it home to us when we were deployed and we really cranked down on getting rid of them was the kid who bought a cell phone and sim card in Afghanistan, against regulations, and then had it in his kit when out on a mission and butt dialed his parents, his father I believe, during a fire fight.
His dad get's a random call from his son so he picks up and all he can hear is the muffled sounds of the fire fight going on and his son yelling out targets and his weapon going off. Along with all the other expletives and things getting yelled out during a fire fight. The phone is in his kit in a pouch so there is no way the kid can hear his dad yelling through the phone. Dad can't hang up because that's his kid on the other end of the line in a fire fight obviously taking incoming rounds. At the same time the dad is terrified that he's going to hear his son killed.
The mon calls the rear det contact and asks what's going on and get's the standard 'we can't talk about operations' your son is fine speech. She then holds her phone up to the fathers phone so the rear det NCO who answered the phone can hear the fire fight live. Then stuff get's real for the NCO.
Ultimately, this blows up all the way to the division commander and **** rolls down hill fast and lands on this poor specialist who just wanted to stay in touch with his folks and girlfriend.
Bottom line is if the company CO had been aggressive early on preventing their use it all could have been avoided.
Add to that the real time use of signals intel from cell phone use to provide targeting data that got a bunch of Russian generals and their staffs killed and I don't see a situation where they can be justified.
His dad get's a random call from his son so he picks up and all he can hear is the muffled sounds of the fire fight going on and his son yelling out targets and his weapon going off. Along with all the other expletives and things getting yelled out during a fire fight. The phone is in his kit in a pouch so there is no way the kid can hear his dad yelling through the phone. Dad can't hang up because that's his kid on the other end of the line in a fire fight obviously taking incoming rounds. At the same time the dad is terrified that he's going to hear his son killed.
The mon calls the rear det contact and asks what's going on and get's the standard 'we can't talk about operations' your son is fine speech. She then holds her phone up to the fathers phone so the rear det NCO who answered the phone can hear the fire fight live. Then stuff get's real for the NCO.
Ultimately, this blows up all the way to the division commander and **** rolls down hill fast and lands on this poor specialist who just wanted to stay in touch with his folks and girlfriend.
Bottom line is if the company CO had been aggressive early on preventing their use it all could have been avoided.
Add to that the real time use of signals intel from cell phone use to provide targeting data that got a bunch of Russian generals and their staffs killed and I don't see a situation where they can be justified.
Back in the late 1990s, one of my buddies told me they were using cell phones at Fort Hood so they could stay off the radio network.
Here in the 2020s, I figured with all the stories coming out of Ukraine about cell phones being tracked, it would just be common sense to leave them at home, or check them in somewhere, etc.
Here in the 2020s, I figured with all the stories coming out of Ukraine about cell phones being tracked, it would just be common sense to leave them at home, or check them in somewhere, etc.
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The ukes got pretty crafty against the ruskies and were targeting based on geolocated images captured via cyber. Many of the early wins were enabled by Russian soldiers sending pics back home trying to avoid being jodied. Well, after they sent that pic, it didn't matter.
Electronic-warfare/cyber are going to own the fight sooner than we're prepared for.
Electronic-warfare/cyber are going to own the fight sooner than we're prepared for.
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Naveronski said:Yes, and because they (we, but I'm not SF/it wasn't just a problem with SF) ran the perimeter road, it gave an idea how big the area was.CanyonAg77 said:
Wasn't there a problem a few years ago, when Special Ops guys were posting their daily workouts to Apps such as Strava?
Places that we "didn't have Spec Ops deployed" suddenly had a bunch of SpecOps guys' workout routes showing up.
I think I know which perimeter road you are talking about. I ran it MANY a time.
I think it'll be hard to control in the general masses.
I've had trips with far stricter guidance on emission control/etc than others.
The general masses being bad with emissions control can also help hide something more important in the background noise.
I've had trips with far stricter guidance on emission control/etc than others.
The general masses being bad with emissions control can also help hide something more important in the background noise.
CanyonAg77 said:
Wasn't there a problem a few years ago, when Special Ops guys were posting their daily workouts to Apps such as Strava?
Places that we "didn't have Spec Ops deployed" suddenly had a bunch of SpecOps guys' workout routes showing up.
Strava used to be "opt out" instead of "opt in" so the default setting was to automatically post your workout runs. Someone eventually noticed there were a bunch of routes in the middle of the Arabian desert. Those profiles also had routes in California. Users with similar routes in California revealed routes in South America, Africa, Australia, etc. that Google maps seemingly showed nothing there.
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74OA said:
The Army gets it, but it's a chore convincing soldiers that any emission can get them killed.
LESSONS
Seems it would be pretty simple to screen / collect all electronic devices before deployment and offer military approved devices that allow viewing of social media, but not posting and phone calls. We censored mail in WW2 for obvious reasons. Each company and larger should probably have a devices actively looking for contraband electronics within x number of meters.
Russia learned this the hard way in Ukraine.
As the article mentions, the Army did most all that and personal cells still leaked through to the field. The military is not exempt from the 2% rule. In this instance, unfortunately, even 98% compliance will still get people killed. There will always be those who believe that rules exist to be circumvented or have an "urgent" personal reason to disregard them.AgLA06 said:74OA said:
The Army gets it, but it's a chore convincing soldiers that any emission can get them killed.
LESSONS
Seems it would be pretty simple to screen / collect all electronic devices before deployment and offer military approved devices that allow viewing of social media, but not posting and phone calls. We censored mail in WW2 for obvious reasons. Each company and larger should probably have a devices actively looking for contraband electronics within x number of meters.
Russia learned this the hard way in Ukraine.
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