Aggie Therapist said:

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Massive CIV CAS incoming with this direct assault on the ground. But I agree, if you want to flush out HAMAS intel, limit war fighting functions, capture leaders and ammo from the underground networks, you'll have to be right above it.

Even as an Infantry Officer, this wont be fun to watch for me.

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Honestly. They'd be better if they didn't.

Just level it. And bring dozers behind with cav support to just literally seal everything up. Burry them and the rockets and whatever else they have for good. Leave fire bases within site of each other to dispatch anything that makes it to the surface for the next 6 months.

Otherwise we're about to see the 21st century version of Anzio.

I wonder if China or Russia takes advantage of this in any way. If we're sending potentially two carrier strike groups to the Mediterranean (plus I've heard of other individuals getting ready to potentially mobilize), does that leave Taiwan relatively unprotected? Intelligence eyes are going to be diverted from Ukraine towards the mid-east.

Spent many hours making OPORDS, figured my fellow Army bros would appreciate how Hamas makes their OPORD to carry out their recent attacks on Israel. The guy breaking it down is SFC (R). He is a subject matter expert in this field. He stated that this operations order as LIKELY created by Iran.

https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/inside-the-hamas-operations-order?r=2j6y8e&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Is there a full length video? I didn't see his evidence or reasoning behind why he is so certain Iran produced all that, other than maybe production quality?

Can't wait to watch.
Especially Commander's Intent and Risk Assessment.

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To backstop AT's post, I worked FMS for the AFSAT Sq as a training program manager. First as Lt Col for Iraq, Kuwait and Qatar, then as a GS for Saudi Arabia with interfaces with Jordan. I worked closely with a lot of other PMs in the unit who worked the ME.....to include Israel.

The universal conclusion was that Arab armed forces sucked hard. And now that most are Western equipped, we also have a choke hold their weapons/munitions pipeline. Poor leadership, vast corruption, marginal training, appearances are more important than production, and a tremendous lack of usable human capital to employ the modern weapons they have been buying.

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It's not the Arabs we have to worry about.

It's the Iranians.

LMCane said:

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USA*** said:

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To backstop AT's post, I worked FMS for the AFSAT Sq as a training program manager. First as Lt Col for Iraq, Kuwait and Qatar, then as a GS for Saudi Arabia with interfaces with Jordan. I worked closely with a lot of other PMs in the unit who worked the ME.....to include Israel.

The universal conclusion was that Arab armed forces sucked hard. And now that most are Western equipped, we also have a choke hold their weapons/munitions pipeline. Poor leadership, vast corruption, marginal training, appearances are more important than production, and a tremendous lack of usable human capital to employ the modern weapons they have been buying.

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It's not the Arabs we have to worry about.

It's the Iranians.

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The Iranians are the most emboldened, but you're kidding yourself if you think the antisemitism is isolated.

HollywoodBQ said:

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Can't wait to watch.
Especially Commander's Intent and Risk Assessment.

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I want to see Hamas conduct an MDMP session.

I wonder how they do an AAR for Lessons Learned from Suicide Attacks.

EDIT: Now that I watched the video, I see the answer is discussed.
Thanks for sharing that. Excellent work.

My only complaint was the presenter's pronunciation of some common Arabic phrases but, hey, not everybody can sound like they're from my neighborhood in the Eastern Province.

Obviously I'm not going to try this but I wonder how many watch lists you'd get yourself on if you called some of those mobile phone numbers.

Some pretty good information from PZ on how Israeli Intelligence may have missed this and what happens next. Nothing is going to be pretty. Hopefully Egypt opens the southern gate and some of the Americans are able to make it there and exit Gaza.

Arabic is hard. I completed a 6 month basic special operations language training course at fort Bragg and only got a 1.5 on my oral proficiency interview

The throat inflections is a whole different level. That's a 2 year program in California

Agreed, if you didn't learn it as a kid, I think it would be extremely difficult to learn as an adult.

What is general michael kurilla's background?

He is the epitome of an Infantry Officer in the US Army. He was my buddy's division commander when he was in the 82nd. He's been a leader in campaigns dating back to Just Cause.

Highly decorated

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I think Biden is going to do exactly what Putin demanded that he do and stay out of it and let Israel do what they want. Of course, Putin meant it as a threat against US involvement directly, but I think the real threat is Israel acting without any handcuffs on them from the western governments.

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why is this "the real threat?"

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In the past Israel was limited in their responses to terrorist actions by the western countries, primarily the US. The US supplies the military equipment to Saudi Arabia and while Israel primarily builds their own equipment it's funded by the US. We have played the balancing force between those two since the beginning of Israel as a nation. I think we are seeing Israel acting without those limits being put on them.

We occupied Iraq and Afghanistan for almost 20 years. During that time Iran acted directly in Iraq and indirectly in Afghanistan against us. In many cases very efficiently killing US soldiers and marines. We never once bombed entire city blocks to rubble with 2000lb JDAM's like we are seeing Israel do right now. We even went the opposite direction and developed weapons that had no warhead at all and only used kinetic force to kill a specific target and not anybody else near by. Those two opposites draw the line pretty clearly in my mind.

The real threat to Hamas is not Israel acting with US support, but rather Israel acting without US limiting their actions.

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Why are we worried about threats to Hamas?

You said "the real threat." In my mind, I pictured a threat to US or US interest.

My original post was in reference to a statement made by Putin threatening the US if we didn't stay out of the conflict between Israel and Hamas. My statement was that Putin would get his wish and that would be worse for Hamas than if the US were involved.

2 carrier strike groups, visible forces staged and multiple fronts, I really hope this thing doesn't go wild. This **** is way too complicated, all of you give great insight and personal experiences, but it just seems like a chain reaction, step on one and suddenly 3 more want a piece. I wonder how the Ford is making out on her deployment, really shaking the bugs loose I'm sure.

Only time will tell. We are bolstering forces right now as a form of saber rattling to Iran. The Israel and Hamas is just the tip of the iceberg.

Rumors are that the Crew onboard the USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) in the Eastern Mediterranean have been served Steak & Lobster tonight for Dinner which is usually reserved for either Holidays (Which today isn’t) or News which is expected to Lower the Crew’s Morale like a… pic.twitter.com/3FkcaIIjyF

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) October 21, 2023

Likely just the extension of deployment orders.

Not to derail the thread but since my last post I watched a documentary about DU rounds, included in the list of countries that produce and use them was Israel. We witnessed Russia pitch a fit over us potentially sending those rounds to Ukraine and equating them to nuclear weapons. It will be interesting to see how that area of the world responds to the potential use by infantry and smaller armored units, watched a USMC vet recount his use of them to disable vehicles.

There would be no benefit to using DU rounds in Gaza.

Interesting take on the intelligence breakdown that lead to this

Aggie Therapist said:

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Funny, when I got extension orders in the Army they canceled my R&R and fed me trash

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To be fair, they do that even when you don't extend.