Talk to me about the Army National Guard

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OldArmy07
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I still have an urge to serve, though I didn't when I was in the Corps at A&M. Is it difficult to commission and still get a job/MOS that I want?

I'm in IT now, I would like to get a dual benefit out of this by serving my country and gaining some skills/experiences that will help me progress my corporate career at the same time.

Does anyone have any experience with serving while holding down a "normal" job? What can I expect with active duty assignments/drill and trying to fit them into my schedule? Is the training adequate so that if I were deployed I wouldn't be fighting alongside people (myself included) without the experience to stay safe?

Any other thoughts or ideas are encouraged.
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You will receive widely differing responses to your question.

The Texas National Guard is like attending A&M. There are commonalities, but ultimately the experience is based on the unit, the job, the people around you and what you put into it.

I deployed on two peacekeeping missions as a TXNG member and worked with them as a contractor in Afghanistan. All with the MI Bn.

I loved my time in the Guard.

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Holding down a normal job is getting a lot easier as deployment schedules are backing off for the major units. There are still specific deployments but those are getting fewer as well.

Getting commissioned is a matter of how bad you want it and how much you are willing to put up with to get there. If you made it through the Corps you should be fine, just think fish year all over.

Getting the exact job you want is a little harder and except for a few exceptions you will get to put together a wish list and will probably end up with one of your top three choices. I got my second choice, most of my class got their first choice.

As far as quality of individual I can tell you that in the combat arms units it's very high. The majority of the soldiers and all the NCO's in my unit have multiple deployments, and a lot of them came off active duty to join the guard.
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Retired TxARNG here, been since 2004. Did 4 years RA after A&M and 26 years RC. Things to consider about joining the Guard.

1. During peacetime it is about geography. Assuming you go thru OCS at Camp Mabry in Austin, which will take you 14 months (Apr to Jun, usually they do 1 cycle a year), once you come back from your branch qual schools, another couple of months depending on branch, it will take you about 1½ years to actually get to a real drilling unit.
2. Also assuming you become an officer, picking your branch is VERY IMPORTANT. You have to know where the units are, where you want to live, because as a company grade officer you need to be no more than 50 miles away from your armory. This is not a rule but one I came to believe in over the years. The higher rank you have, the farther away you will want to travel to drill. As a new officer you need to be relatively close by. Trust me. You won't drive a long way for long. Find out the units in close proximity to you and the types of branches the officers have in those units. Talk to some older officers to understand likely career path, i.e., the types of jobs you could probably expect to get over your first 10 years. This is VERY IMPORTANT, something young officers tend to not pay attention to. You get to pick ONE branch as a new officer and you have to pick smart based on geographic dispersion of units. As an example, makes no sense to pick MP as a branch (Because you think is it cool) if the only MP company is 200 miles away from you.
3. Expect to be deployed.
4. Combat Arms branches usually have the most openings, most opportunities, most slots for younger officers. It is easier to start off as a Combat Arms type (Infantry, Armor, FA) and eventually branch over to logistics (OD, QM, TC) than the opposite path. Think long haul with the Guard.
5. You won't get rich doing it. Assuming you have a decent civilian job and want to keep it, your Guard time has to stay in balance with the other things in your life (Family, Job, Faith, Guard). Understand your time limits and what you are willing to do, and what you aren't.
6. Need to be in shape.
7. Go back and read #2 again. Geography is key. For example if you live in San Antonio there are good opportunities for Field Artillery because there is a DIVARTY HQ in San Antonio and a FA Bn in New Braunfels. Between those 2 places and the Division HQ in Austin you could very likely make a 20 year career (How long you need to drill to qualify for retirement pay at age 60) and never drive more than 75 miles to drill.
8. Active duty folks who last till retirement start drawing retired pay right after they retire. Guard types have to wait until age 60 (Something I will get to in about 5 months) before they get any retirement pay. That is the current deal. Far off for you, but the years you spend as a youngster will affect you later in life. I wish I had done better with my time as a young officer but there wasn't anyone to tell me truthfully what I needed to know then, just had to blunder thru. Get some good advice and listen to it.

PM me if you have questions. I am just an old geezer but I understand the big picture OK.



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WBBQ is spot.on.

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1. During peacetime it is about geography. Assuming you go thru OCS at Camp Mabry in Austin, which will take you 14 months (Apr to Jun, usually they do 1 cycle a year)


It's 18 months now (two 2-week "FTX" ish periods plus the one weekend a month blah blah blah.)

This year, they had 18 total accelerated (8 weeks of daily training in Alabama) slots for Texas.

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picking your branch is VERY IMPORTANT


This. be a PT stud and study like hell for tests.

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3. Expect to be deployed.


oh, yes. Especially if you are in any sort of aviation unit.

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You won't get rich doing it.


Not even remotely.

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6. Need to be in shape.


And be able to do it on your own without daily PT sessions. I am required to only do one APFT/year unless I attend a school.

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Geography is key.
But do not let it force your hand on what you want to branch. I drive 60 miles (almost exactly) one way to the hangar. Aviation is what I wanted, so I went somewhere to get it. I was 2.5 hours away when I started. I moved closer because my husband got a job in a city closer to the hangar, not because I wanted to be closer to the unit (thought I did.) If you want to be of more use, being closer is key.

I don't know about retirement pay. I'm not in it for the $$ or normal benefits (insurance etc.)


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The TANG is a horrible joke if you are prior service.
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Beg to differ. Almost all of my (aviation) unit is prior service. Most with multiple combat tours.

Feel free to contact me and I will put you in touch with prior active duty folks.

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I was in the guard for 5 years after active duty (2 dif units). Many of my colleagues were also prior service. Everyone was miserable, and got out after the first enlistment was up. Both units were full of pogues who reclassed in some dumbed down 10-day national guard course to become combat arms soldiers. The little experiment failed horribly. It wasn't just isolated to my units. Everytime I went to an AT or the like, I was surrounded by a terribly unprofessional, inept "force". The "support" units are impossible to work with. They are even more unprofessional and disengaged. Overall, the combat arms units are full of junior enlisted soldiers who aren't capable, professional, or even happy with whatever MOS the NG recruiter sprang on them - and the NCOs and officers usually have no prior service experience, usually arent in their primary MOS, and have little interest to become educated because they think they are "highspeed". Given you mentioned you were trying to commission, bad soldiers and even NCOs could be very problematic for you. The biggest issue being that troop levels are far more important than capability, so its nearly impossible to get rid of problem soldiers. We had multiple kids, even one of my own, that failed drug tests and went AWOL, and were only able to get rid of 1 - and he was reclassed to another MOS. This is a very stark contrast from active duty. None of them fear punishment because of all the empty threats, general lack of real punishment options, or the "soft glove" attitude that is so prevalent in the guard. Obviously there are probably decent units around, but I can assure you that they are the exception.

Also, to the OP, don't listen to the nonsense about how "employers have to cooperate with your guard schedule". There are technically laws in place, but it is very easy to get around them, and employers know it. 2 years ago, as I was getting out, my unit was gearing up for a deployment. Not only did we get called for 2 hurricanes that year, but also had to go to 2 annual training events, and had multiple 3-4 day drill weekends. Employers do not have to cooperate with that, and a few guys lost their jobs. I was in school at the time, so was exempted from much of it. Those that lost their jobs, were told that "something was going to be done", however, I've not heard of a single guy getting his job back, or any employer being penalized. The simple fact of the matter is that these employers were easily able to claim they were simply layed off. And when layoffs are remotely necessary (like now) they are obviously inclined to fire the guys who are constantly gone on thurs, fri, and/or Mondays; 2-3 weeks a year (usually more than once); and always the the looming possibility of disaster mobilizations - not to mention deployments.

OP, given that you are not prior service, and maybe crave a bit of that "excitement" of the new and unknown, and frankly dont know what the military is supposed to be like, you may want to consider the guard. However, I urge you to strongly consider how your employer will handle it. The guard has a very unwarranted inflated sense of themselves - especially when it comes to what they can demand of soldiers and employers. The aviation units could absolutely be much better, if that is your thing. I even considered going warrant as a helicopter pilot, but the 6 year commit scared the hell out of me, considering what I'd seen with the majority of the rest of the guard. All I am saying is be very cautious. If you decide to do it, tell the recruiter that you want to unit shop before you sign anything. Spend a couple months visiting various units on drill weekends. See what they do on normal weekends, ask the soldiers what they think, etc. Email in profile if you have any specific non-aviation questions.I should probably mention that my obversations are coming from previously being a light infantry team leader, and light recon asst team leader with 10th mountain. I am completely experienced and unbiased. I don't regret the guard at all - they helped me pay for a lot of school, and I met some good friends. I would never do it again, but there was mutual benefit. It's important that you know the bad with the good, and unfortunately, most people who actually stay in paint it too positively because they a) don't know any better b) have an agenda c) content with being mediocre d) really lucked into a cush assignment

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OldArmy1606
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Chosin,

My wife had similar experiences. She was severely disappointed. They wouldn't even place her in the proper classes to finish her officer training.

She was in an MSC unit and went through the hurricane mobilizations too. Her employer was kind to her. But with all the stories and my experiences with employers I fear they would just "lay" me off. Regardless of whether I do Guard or Marine Reserve. I've worked far too long and hard to get where I am now and I don't want to put that at risk.
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as curious said - you will get wildly different opinions

I've done it all in 26 years - USAF, USAR, TXARNG, IRR, USAR.
everyone's got their own story and experience.
hard to make a decision based on folks individual experience. you've got the lovers and the haters both here.

i was at mabry for all of my TXARNG time. a vertible vipers nest of backstabbing and politics, especially at the field grade level.

but it sucks you in. and if you get enough time to retire at the field grade level, its the equivilent of 500K in your pocket pumping out monthly income at 60. don't discount that. wbbq knows of what i speak.

let me repeat that, especially for you folks i see who post here who have 7-10 years of AD and are thinking about getting out and not seriously thinking about reserve or guard. at 20 years of reserve service (AD + reserve time) you have a inflation indexed pension at age 60 for life that you didn't contribute to (except with your time and sometimes your blood).

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Did you just put "IRR" as an experience? If you want combat arms, it has to be in the Guard because the Reserves is all support. If you want to play Army, the Guard and Reserves are similar. Both wear uniforms, neither do any actual, effective training and neither are remotely prepared for a deployment. Outside of the Combat Arms issue, the only true difference is that the Reserves are at the call of the government whereas the Guard gets that AND is at the call of their own state. Money is the same, training is the same and, outside of a few random units, they are all sub-par. Both will pay for school and give you a little weekend warrior feel, though, so make sure you get what you want. Like an earlier post said, don't let the recruiter cram you into a unit and/or MOS that sucks. If you find a job you really like and a unit that you really like, then rock out. Shop the units, ask actual soldiers about their job. Don't rely on the videos or internet definitions. Just remember, recruiters don't give a crud what you want, in the long run (coming from a former recruiter). It's ok to play hardball with them.

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yes i did, because as opposed to 98+% of the folks who 'lose' a retirement year while in the IRR (I was in the IRR because of geographic location), I got a good retirement year doing army correspondence courses for points. 26 years since commissioning, 26 good years, despite living in 4 states and 3 overseas countries. (I am currently IMA)

(the haters now outnumber the lovers)

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Unfortunately, my experience in the TXARNG mirrors Chosin.

If you have a civilian job and you aren't in a position where you can dictate your schedule (IE, you own the business and make your own schedule), you MUST ask for the training schedule of whatever unit you are considering.

The guard assembles based on MUTAs (Mission Unit Training Assemblies). A recruiter will tell you one weekend a month, two weeks of AT a year. What they WON'T tell you is that these 1 weekend a month is an AVERAGE and not set in stone. In the end, you can assume 44 MUTA's a year (each full day is consider 2 MUTA's). However some drills may be 5 MUTA's (meaning you report on Friday afternoon and then are gone all weekend and return on Sunday afternoon). Others may be 6, meaning all day on Friday. While others may be a 2 MUTA meaning only Saturday. As Chosin said, your employer is not "legally" allowed to prevent your attendance. Yeah, they have a different opinion about that for sure.

The other issue that I experience as prior service, is that you can only get promoted when there is a slot available. We had an Sergeant who was 5 feet 5 and weight 220 easily. Yet he wasn't going anywhere. Limited Sergeant slots so we had 4 Specialists (with prior service active duty experience who couldn't move up) because that slot was full (VERY FULL to be more accurate). After two years, virtually every one of us just decided WHO GIVE A ____!!! And that was the attitude of a lot of guys.

But I did make some good friends and had a lot of fun on drill weekends with the guys. So that was the plus. I enjoyed what we did in the field. Garrison was terrible.

One drill weekend I made a bet with my roommate (who was one of the other SPC I was talking about) that I could do absolutely NOTHING for the whole weekend as long as I had a notebook with me and walked around like I was doing something. I got so bold as to walk in the Battalion Command section with all the officers. I just had the notebook open and was looking around and when the MAJ asked me what I was doing I just pointed around like I was counting something and then said "ah, nothing sir. Just checking." Made a quick jot on the note pad and then walked out. Spent two full days inventorying NOTHING. No one asked, no one cared. After the first day of me doing nothing, a couple others decided to play along and grabbed a milk crate to see if a milk crate worked as well. Even our section leaders didn't catch on. That was how disorganized it was.
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I hope you didn't cash that drill check.
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It's taken a few days for me to get the time to sit down and put my thoughts together on this one. In that time, I see some for, some against, I'm just going to tell you how it was during my 6 years of being in a unit and going to drill.

First - getting the job you want. As the guy who wrote my bullet comments on my accessions packet told me, the Army wants to hear that you want to serve your country first and then if there is a job available in what you want, then you might get it.
Now here's the trick. As somebody else already pointed out, National Guard Units are State level organizations and are generally focused on Combat Arms with some support functions. Whereas the Army Reserve is focused on Service and Support only.
Depending what State you're in and what they have available, that's going to determine what you get. Yes, I have seen guys move between States because they could get a National Guard slot in the MOS that they wanted. Granted at the time when I heard that, I thought Texas was the end all and be all and I couldn't understand why anybody would leave Texas

In my case, I wanted to be in Armor and lucky for me, in the 1990s, Texas has The 49th Armored Division so there were plenty of Tank slots.
My situation is a little different than yours because I was Army ROTC Scholarship so I finished The Corps of Cadets and got Commissioned upon Graduation. You'll be looking at some form of OCS to become an Officer. 15 years ago, I was a little more in touch with that process, today, I couldn't really tell you what's what there.

In my case, I just had to find a unit because I had already been assessed Armor. In your case, it sounds like you need to find a Unit that will fund your OCS candidacy however that works out. My point is that just because you enlist as Infantry let's say, doesn't mean that you won't wind up with an opportunity to be a Signal Corps Officer, or whatever suits your fancy.

Point 1 1/2 - Just like in business, getting promoted depends on finding an open slot that is at the right pay grade and figuring out how to get into that slot so you can get promoted. Otherwise, your career will stall out in some un-promotable role. Which by the way might be more "fun" than whatever rank you're trying to get promoted to.

Second - Progressing in your Military Career versus progressing in your Civilian Career. I'm going to be honest and say that you can do both to a point but eventually, you have to choose one or the other. In my era, if you looked at the guys who were O-5 and above, especially O-6 and O-7, they all had civilian jobs where they were government employees in some form or fashion. There were a number of guys who were school administrators and there were a few who held high ranks with major State Agencies. The point here is that they didn't have super-stellar civilian pay packets and they had jobs with plenty of time off.

When I started as a 2LT, I worked for the State of Texas as an Environmental Engineer and I got 2 weeks of Annual Leave and up to 3 weeks of Military Leave. After 3 years when I moved into the Private Sector, I only got 2 weeks of Annual Leave. So, my employer DID have to allow me off for Scheduled Drills and for Scheduled Annual Training. They did not have to pay me for that time away and they did not have to let me off work for optional Schools.

As an example, when I was a 2LT, I had the opportunity to take my 3rd week of Military Leave off and attend a 5-day Tank Commander Course at Fort Knox. It was a course that I didn't need and it didn't really do anything for me career wise (not saying it was a bad course, it was a well run course but I'd already been trained on all that stuff) but, it allowed me to double dip for a 3rd week that Calendar Year. Now back when I was making $30,000/yr, an extra $750 or so in my pocket was a nice bit of additional dough. Now fast forward two years after that and I was making $50,000/yr working in the civilian world and burning a week of vacation for $900 of 1LT pay didn't seem like a good deal.

So, here's some of the contributing factors to why I made the decision to get out. As WBBQ74 pointed out, as a Junior Officer, you're going to have to spend A LOT of time working on your Unit (assuming you want to be any good at it). This is going to require a lot of unpaid activity and it's going to require a few extra weekends. The kind where they might pay you for the one day of attending a Brigade meeting on a Saturday in Fort Worth where the one day begins at 0430 at your house in Austin and finishes around 2300 when you get back home to Austin. Now like I said, when I was 23 years old and had no kids and was only making $30K/yr, and was still trying to work my way up, that's tolerable in small amounts. But... when you have a wife, a couple of kids and a demanding IT job where you're earning $65,000/yr, spending 18 hours of your Saturday doing work of marginal value for maybe $100 if you're lucky, is going to seem like an activity that's probably got limited usefulness.

In the context of a drill weekend, or even a two week AT, the delta between your Military Pay as a Junior Officer and your pay as a top civilian performer is tolerable. But... what if you got deployed for an extended duration?
In my case, watching the Clinton Era draw down of the Active Component and realizing the larger role that the Reserve Component was going to have to play, it wasn't a matter of IF, it was just a matter of WHEN. The second part of that was FOR HOW LONG?
There's enough water under the bridge now that I can tell you that my old Unit deployed to Iraq for a full year in 2005. On Active Duty in 2005, I probably would have earned $50,000 for a year long deployment as a Captain. In 2005, I earned $135,000 working in IT. Could my family have lasted 12 months without my shining face around? Probably. Could my family have done without the extra $85,000 in 2005? Possibly. Did they deserve that? NO. So, I don't feel bad at all about getting out when I did a few years earlier.

Point 2 1/2 - should you have to move Interstate for work. In 2000, I moved from Austin, Texas to Denver, Colorado. I rolled into the National Guard HQ in Denver and they literally could care less that I was an Armor Officer. Because there were NO Armor Units in Colorado. They started talking to me about transferring to an overstrength position on a Field Artillery Battalion Staff as the best fit for me. And seeing if I was interested in attending the Field Artillery Officers Advanced Course. I was still committed to Armor because that's what I had been doing for 6 years. So, I found myself in the IRR until my time was up. My point here is that you might see the way things will go today when you sign up for an 8 year commitment but 5 years down the road, things could be quite different. Just keep that in mind.

Third - I've seen a lot of "bagging" on the National Guard on this thread. I've got to ask - "Would my National Guard bullets make the enemy any less dead?". Here's the deal. YES, there are a lot of complete ******bags in the National Guard. There are a lot of guys in The Guard who wouldn't make it on Active Duty or couldn't make it on Active Duty. There are a lot of complete losers who are 25-30 years old and the best job they can find is school janitor or working at the local Sonic Drive-In. For those guys, they'll take every National Guard Drill Day they can get because "The Guard" is "Good Money". By the way, "Guard Bumming" is not limited to Enlisted. It occurs in Officers as well.
Also, remember that while the Active Army is comprised of people who reflect what "The Army" is "Today", "The Guard" is comprised of people who often reflect what The Army has been during the past 0-30 years. I came in at a time when the economy was going strong and the Regular Army was not accepting High School Dropouts. But, still serving in The Guard were a number of guys who had entered service 10-15 years earlier when The Army WAS accepting High School dropouts. Many of those soldiers were substandard and continued to stay in the Guard because of what one of the other posters pointed out. In The Guard, the most important metric is Troop Strength. Commanders are highly encouraged to keep their units at or above 100% strength. How well a unit is trained doesn't matter as much as if you're at 100% strength or not. My term for this is "You've got to keep bubbas in The Guard".
I can also add that in the late 1990s, we cleaned up a lot of bad behavior, recordkeeping, etc. that had been acceptable in the 1970s and 1980s. It was funny when my guys would tell me about how much beer they used to bring for a 2 week AT in the 1980s.

Now, that was the bad stuff, let me tell you about the good stuff. There are a lot of GOOD soldiers in The Guard. A lot of guys who have 8+ years on Active Duty. A lot of guys who are combat veterans. A lot of guys who really know what the heck they're doing. A lot of guys I'd go to war with any day of the week any where. But, I say a lot, in reality, it's a few but, they do exist. I'll tell you that today, I'm still friends with my first E5 Gunner who was a 1st CAV Desert Storm Vet. Truly one of the most squared away individuals I've ever met. We also had a guy who was 24th ID Desert Storm who was unbelievable. There are some guys who it's just in their blood and they can't stop serving. You can learn volumes from those guys. For that alone, serving in The Guard is worthwhile.
There are also some guys who are good guys who have some sort of "situation" that prevents them from serving on Active Duty but The Guard has been able to "turn a blind eye" toward whatever it is. I'm not saying they reverse a Dishonorable Discharge or anything but, they might "overlook" a situation where a guy got an Article 15 some 10-15 years ago (real offenses have been hidden to protect the guilty - I did wind up with a guy in my platoon who was an 18 series MOS instructor from Fort Bragg who unfortunately got a DUI and got booted from Active Duty. I was happy to have him.).

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I hope you didn't cash that drill check.


You kidding? That was one of my favorite drill weekends! We talked about that for two years following it! I got the idea from an episode of MASH when Hawkeye bets BJ that he could walk around naked and nobody would notice. Well I couldn't go naked, so I used a notebook to make me invisible!!!
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Thanks for the replies everyone. All are very helpful. Hollywood, your points about family & considering salary are very inciteful. I'm at the point now where I'm making considerably more than a full-time deployed 2LT with a sick wife and potentially kids in the next few years. This does add some weight to my decision and makes me think that it may be a bit selfish to satisfy my desire to travel and serve with my responsibility to take care of my family.

I'm going to sit on this for a few months and see how I feel then. I'm still young.
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While mobilized, you can factor in several things when comparing incomes:
Free Medical Insurance
Tax Exempt Benefits (BAS, BAH, etc)
Tax Exempt Pay (at times)

However, during normal Annual Training there are times when you will be taking a hit on the pay check.
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My experience sounds a lot like chosin's and say chowda.

I'm enlisted 11B, and on my first drill I couldn't believe that something so disorganized could even exist, much less be part of the military.

I won't say which one it is, however my unit is horrible. The majority of our Officers couldn't lead a horse to water (*although, there are a few that are very capable) and the rest of the ranks are filled by folks that have been E4/E5 for 10+ years and will never pass a PT test, much less promote. I can't even imagine not making any career progress in that time, and then staying in. It seems the promotions to E5 are very often a bargaining chip to get you to reenlist. I joined for the SMP program, and the drill weekends serve to sap all of the motivation out of your body and leave a bad taste in your mouth about staying in the military overall.
That said, if you have ~10 years in already, staying in is a no-brainer if you're govt/LE or have a very easygoing employer. The pension and medical in your old age should make it all worthwhile. However, if you are employed in big corporate America I think you have to look at the value of your time and whether or not you will still be able to succeed in civilian life with the hinderances of the guard.

Like others have said, you'll meet some interesting folks who have little to no sense of ambition at all. True story: on our second to last day of AT we returned to base and were released for the night with one bit of instruction: Do not drink, and if you do, don't smell. First formo was at 0600 and around 11 an E4 strolled in hungover wearing flip-flops and boardwalk shorts. Nothing happened to him by the command, instead we were all placed on lockdown for the following 4 drills.

Additionally, I don't know that the whole guard is like this as ive only been in one unit for ~3 years and there certainly are some very capable soldiers at all ranks. The officer corps may be a little less interesting than what I've described. In general, the poor performance I've seen out of officers has in general been the result of a lack of experience, not care. I'm just saying that if it is your intention to serve, that hunger may be better served with the active duty. To finish out 20 years, guard all the way.

Apologize for possibly incoherent grammar as this is from my iPhone.

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It's funny, I thought about this thread yesterday. I'm going through some stuff with people at my corporate headquarters who are throwing up roadblocks and not giving us folks in the field sales force what we need because they don't understand what we do at all. And they've never been out on the pointy end of a sales call or even met a customer for that matter so, they don't have any idea what we need to get our job done, nor do they care. They're just happy to sit back at the corporate office with their subsidized corporate cafeteria, their ping pong tables in the break room and their Friday afternoon beer bashes.

Anyway, what I realized is that being in a line unit in a combat arms MOS and having to deal with Battalion, Brigade and higher and State Level resources in the National Guard has prepared me perfectly for this situation that I'm currently facing in the corporate world.
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I served just over 20 yrs in the TXARNG and am pretty darn proud of the units I served in. I feel bad for the people who did not have the same rewarding experience that I did. Granted, most of my time was in aviation and we had to have a much higher degree of professionalism and dedication to duty. Aviators are held to the same standards and minimums as any active duty aviator. If you were to branch aviation, you would definitely have a much greater committment to your unit that you would in another MOS/branch. I did 2 deployments in 3 yrs and also participated in the Space Shuttle recovery, Katrina, Rita and numerous fire standby's. Geography is extremely important, whether you are an infantryman or pilot, because of the time/distance/expenses involved. Remember, you are volunteering to join, and volunteering is sacrificial in nature. Someone else said you won't get rich, definitely agree, but most of the experiences are very rewarding. As with any organization there will be politics, backstabbing and the like, but as being Aggie and having that kind of pride, you can help shape and make whatever unit you are in that much better.
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