It's cute watching q's quarrel

We will kiss and make up in the end!

If I can (as a lowly CT) jump in here.....

The tall guy is uot of step.........



No......he is.........look at everybodyelse....the front of their shoe is still up in the air........


I'm just sayin.....lol

I am a pretty 'marketing/branding savy' business person and from a branding point of view, consistancy is HUGE!!!!!

Frankly the non-reg practice pic made me think it was a 'ct fart-off' joke!!!
Really, I thought it was a gag photo put together by some ct uotfit.

But with that said, as long as there is some uniformity, I'm ok.

PS. Joe Ramirez conciders me one of his best friends from his time at A&M. I have a great deal of respect for what bqs go thru.

GARBQ,

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you are not very bright, are you? I am ashamed to have been in the band at the same time as you. As one of your butts, i failed to mold you into someone who we as Aggies can be proud of.

You should keep stupid comments like this inside your little brain because you don't know what you are talking about. You must have no idea on how to recruit for the Corps of Cadets and the FTAB because its not what they do over christmas break at a couple of drills in non regs that is shedding a negative light on the band, it is stupid comments like this that makes the band look bad.

The band will most likely start with over 400 bandsmen and women next year who have decided to accept the challenge of the Corps of Cadets and the Fightin Texas Aggie Band. I realize that it is no where near how difficult it was when we were there but these young men and women are still challenged everyday in both the FTAB and Academically.

Though things have changed, Cadets are coming out more prepared for life than ever. Just because some of the Old Army things are gone, doesnt mean they have become non regs.

Do you remember what happened in 1985? I do.

That was the year after i died from the Corps and it was the year that the FTAB went to hell...or so we thought at the time. I was devastated when women were allowed in the band because it meant that the band would no longer be a challenge. Or so I thought. The band continued to get better and is now much better at marching that ever. The leadership opportunity is still there and people are more prepared than ever. Its good to learn how to work with both males and females.

I know that you think old army is going to hell, but all you are doing is hurting current bandsmen and women by saying they aren't disciplined and are almost non-regs.

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Well said.
I echo your thoughts.

Mark John Crews, '79, Huslin 1.

^^^ lol u mad bro?

Just to clarify my comment since it has been misquoted several times in this thread. I never said negative things about the young men and women who are members of the FTAB. I never accused them of being undisciplined or almost non regs. What I did say was the band was on the way to becoming a non reg band.

Given the atmosphere on campus, I am sure no one would argue that there are those who would like to see membership in the Corps no longer as a requirement to be in the FTAB. Because of this, it is important to safeguard everything possible in order for this not to happen. Wear of the uniform at all times possible is one of those things we can do.

Add to this the fact the FTAB no longer performs at the basketball games so we have already relinquished part of our responsibilities to a non reg band.

^^^i can agree with that

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Given the atmosphere on campus, I am sure no one would argue that there are those who would like to see membership in the Corps no longer as a requirement to be in the FTAB.

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Disagree. Tons of Non-Regs wear FTAB tshirts, post photos of the band on facebook, etc. They are proud of the band for what it is...they don't want a band like they had at their high school.

As far as the FTAB no longer serving as the basketball band, it was a simple matter of logistics. It was too much. We couldn't meet all of the demands of the athletic department. I have to say the Hullabaloo band doesn't bother me.

hullabaloo does a great job

I did not say the majority of students wanted a non reg band. But there are those who would want that. And we all know how a vocal minority can steer change when there is a silent majority.

If you factor in the possible need within the music department to have marching band participation in order to achieve certain requirements, there could suddenly come a push for defending the justification for the band to be a Corps unit.

Don't forget, there were those in the 80s and earlier who were certain the FTAB would always be all male. Note: I am not saying the band should have been all male or was better off as an all male unit. I didn't have a problem opening up the band to all members.

I don't think there is a silent majority...I think Non-Regs and CTs/BQs alike are in favor of having a cadet marching band.

You might have a valid point on the music degree requirement...I have no idea on that. I had always heard that other schools required music majors to be in the marching band for a certain number of years so they would have people in the band. Most of the kids in my high school band wanted no part of band in college.

I think the only thing that can hurt the band is the Corps of Cadets as a whole declining.

The Aggie Band, as we know and love it, should forever be a unit within the Corps of Cadets, with a director who reports to/thru the Commandant's Office NOT thru/to some Department of Music within the College of Liberal Arts, housed in the Quad, with a bandhall near the Quad. Not some 'hall' across campus someplace that is owned/operated by said College of Liberal Arts.

Line in the sand stuff.

74 Part of your line in the sand has already been crossed. When you search for the FTAB you are lead to this page rather than the Corps of Cadets page.

http://tamubands.tamu.edu/

I'm not sure, if given Dr. Rhea's other duties and responsibilities at the University, whether or not he reports to the Commandant's office.

True, which is why I said 'should' rather than 'is'. Eternal vigilance. Which is why I put the word out to my network of old BQ geezers a couple of years ago to squelch the idea of the need for a 'new' bandhall. The current one fits just fine and is in the correct location. New building opens up much mischief and opportunities for bad things to happen.

WBBQ74,

When I was there Col. Brewer showed us some mock drawings for an expansion to the band hall. It would expand the current facility out into the parking lot, and would have large doors opening out onto the drill field.

Has that idea been thrown out?

The stuff floating around back about 4 years ago was for a larger building to be built in another part of the campus. There was a survey sent around thru the AFS which I answered and spread around to my buds. Sounded to me and to many of us older ph_rts that it was a straw horse to get the FTAB out from under the aegis of the Corps and into the control of the College of Liberal Art, Music Department.

Not exactly the same but moving the Bonfire from behind Duncan to out on the polo fields changed the equation, and not good things happened.

The E.V Adams Band Hall works just fine and is in the right place for the FTAB.

the new band hall that has been approved for building will be in Duncan field.

The FTAB is still tough and the best band in the land. This, however, is relatively new - "Membership
All prospective members of the Aggie Band are required to have had both high school playing and marching band experience. In addition, a playing audition for one of the band directors must be passed during the summer New Student Conference. It is appropriate to bring your instrument with you to your summer new student conference for the purpose of an audition but one will be provided if needed. Auditions consist of basic major scales (rudiments for drums) and sight-reading."

In ancient times all you had to do to get in the Aggie Band was check the student housing box on the card they sent you. Easy to get in, a bit harder to stay, though.

We had guys who were All State musicians and guys who were carrying a horn and had to be told what end to blow on. I was somewhere between these two points. It worked then.

We had the same thing. A lot of them we stuck on Bugle Rank since they weren't playing horns anyway.

I would have thought some of my buds that came in not knowing how to play would have learned a little bit about playing in their 4 years.

Getting back on topic, why are they not wearing a Corps uniform to drill in? No logic not doing it

It is my understanding, the FTAB has not been wearing the Drill Field Uniform for several years. I don't know if it is because of the wear and tear the Band was putting on the practice field or what. I just know it is just another piece of what being in the Band actually involved.

I wonder if they still do a motivational 2 5. Or if they drop when they make a mistake during practice.

Since ABATTBQ87 posted a great vintage pic, I thought I'd throw up a few from my era.

Drill Uniform at The New Jersey Meadowlands before class even started. We'd only been on campus 5 days and we were on a plane to NJ.


The old Class A Winters with White Belt for the GHW Bush Inaugural


Class A Summers for Final Review on Simpson putting on Boots for the first time. The next year was on Kyle on Final Review.


EDIT: I should have included that we started FOW with 30 fish (including 2 females) and 13 of us made it to Final Review our fish year. 12 of us made it to Final Review our Zip year. Not the easiest way to go necessarily. Of those 12, most are pretty solid.

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2 things that get complained about the most on this forum are cadets who don't look the part (mainly PT standards) and not being in a real uniform. That first picture posted by Hollywood features an overweight white belt among others who are all wearing half B's, a uniform that has specifically been preached against on this forum. In fact there have been many posts that include statements like "That kind of thing never happened when I was there." As well as "Full uniform should always be worn outside of the dorms." Both of these are paraphrased, but that's the general idea. Most of the comments about proper uniform were in threads about Final Review and FOW, mostly about wearing the dreaded B's and T's. Between this picture and the picture that 87 put up highlighting a lazy counter march and a BQ being out of phase with the rest of the band, it seems like a lot of the criticism on this thread is very hypocritical. It seems like a lot of the things that "would never fly back then" were actually happening and being photographed. And if TexAgs would have existed then, some Q from the '60s would have blasted y'all for it.

^BAM

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Guess what stud, back then if we messed up or were perceived as being fat, lazy or un aggieband like, those guys from the 50's, 60's and 70's had no problem coming up to us, face to face, and telling us that we weren't performing to their standards. And you know how we reacted? We didn't cry to the trigon, or Col Haney, or our parents. We sucked it up and WORKED to be better, and leaner, and PERFECT.

I love how OC Ag create an account just for that post rather than using his regular account.

I noticed a bunch of mcrew's posts and a thread he started all disappeared this afternoon. Maybe he got some time off and registered a sock.

It's funny, when I posted the Meadowlands pic, I thought Hmmm. How long until somebody comments on the fact that of the 300+ guys (and a handful of gals) in the band on that day, one of the three fat people in the band happened to be in that picture. We didn't have any exceptionally overweight fish buddies. There was another junior who was way overweight and one sophomore.

By the way, rehearsing for a late August game in half Bs made a lot more sense than douching out our Class A Summers before the game. Plus, this was rehearsal on game day as I recall. Pre-game-day rehearsals were back in College Station on the Drill Field in Drill Field Uniform (which was half-pickle suits).

I still can't believe that not only did I get in the Band by simply signing up during my new student conference, I marched in the first game - before I'd even gone to my first class. Seeing the size of those Nebraska linemen coming off the field at half-time. Wow. I didn't know guys got that big outside of Professional Wrestling.

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As far as the FTAB no longer serving as the basketball band, it was a simple matter of logistics. It was too much.

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I call B.S. on this. There was never any problem when Artillery and Infantry bands alternated for basketball games. When the so called "Hullabaloo band" was started, that opened a crack that I am still worried about. Sooner or later someone is going to argue that if you don't have to be in the corps to be a part of the hullabaloo crap than why do you have to be in the corps to be a part of the FTAB? When that day comes we all have to do our part to vocally support the FTAB as we know it.

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Sooner or later someone is going to argue that if you don't have to be in the corps to be a part of the hullabaloo crap than why do you have to be in the corps to be a part of the FTAB?

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They may ask but nothing will ever come of it. The Corps has no relationship to Hullabaloo so I don't see any person in any sort of position that would make that connection (cause there is none) and could then make that change.

Unless it's God. But by that point you'll probably be more worried about Hell freezing over and such anyway.

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Why couldn't someone ask for justification for why the FTAB must be a unit in the CoC? Remember, the CoC membership use to be required to be in the Singing Cadets. Next we could see the dance team on the sidelines of the football field.

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half B's, a uniform that has specifically been preached against on this forum. In fact there have been many posts that include statements like "That kind of thing never happened when I was there." As well as "Full uniform should always be worn outside of the dorms." Both of these are paraphrased, but that's the general idea. Most of the comments about proper uniform were in threads about Final Review and FOW, mostly about wearing the dreaded B's and T's

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Actually those are "half" As, which is long sleeve shirt with tie. On the road we'd wear that uni. The only time we wore "half" Bs was early morning drill on Kyle. If you had an 8 o clock class, then your brought the shirt and put it on before class.