Headed to Bagram-What the heck do I take w/me?

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Just took a contractor job stationed at Bagram and the company is ridiculously light on facts for this trip. I'll be there a year, and I've been looking at the following links:

http://inastan.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-to-bring-to-afghanistan-soldier-or.html
http://www.squidoo.com/deploying-as-a-soldier-or-a-civilian-contractor

I think I'll be on the base 100 percent of the time. Any help will be appreciated.

Fly Army 97
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-laptop or ipad. there is wireless in a few places.
-i'd get an e-reader. \work out clothes. -business cards...you never know who you will meet and would like to contact later or who might need your services as a contractor or future business proposal.
- small camera you can keep in your pocket. you'll be glad after the fact
- all the pens you like and will ever need..just a personal thing for me.
- sunblock...just a little. you can buy it here otherwise.
- snacks you like or just mail them to yourself.

just a start.
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- small camera you can keep in your pocket. you'll be glad after the fact


Just be careful of what you take pictures of... /intel nerd

There is a PX there so you can get almost anything and if something isn't there it isn't hard to get it shipped or buy on Amazon.
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Good news to hear some of this. Amazon shipping works fairly well then? How is the quality of the internet if I have my laptop? Could I use it for video chat back home? How much does it cost, etc? Info on comms to back home is especially valuable to me.

Rep, I'll be working in intel as well.

Thanks, and any further info is much appreciated.
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Sunglasses with clear lens too. Windy as hell here/ lots of blowing dust. Laptop is key, it will get cold eventually too. There are plenty of stores/PX/bazaar here for just about everything. Amazon mails here too. Not too hard to get just about whatever you need. bring a couple good towels and a couple sets of sheets. If you're picky about a pillow bring your own. Laundry takes 5-7 days so have enough clothes etc. Something handy to tote your shower/shaving kit to the latrine is helpful as well. I have a large shaving kit, some guys carry little buckets.

What unit are you going to?
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CAV, I still don't have any specifics on that. Northrup is being disappointingly vague about this whole thing. I mean, they're giving me no details.
Tango Mike
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I've never stayed at Bagram, but I've been to Iraq and other parts of Afghanistan...

Flip flops or Crocs. You do NOT want to take a shower barefoot.

Dark sunglasses and clear lenses, too. Don't skimp, go with something durable and comfortable, as you'll be wearing them every minute that you're outside. Most Oakleys come with interchangable lenses.

Most internet is fast enough for Skype video chat. Gmail chat video works most of the time, too. Cost is anywhere from $50/month to $100/month, depending on what company has the contract at your FOB.

If you dip/chew/smoke, bring some from home. The stuff in the PX is not really close to the stuff from home.

If you like coffee, bring your own. The stuff in the DFAC is awful, and the stuff they sell to make your own in the PX is also terrible.

Anything else you can probably get at the PX or from Amazon. Amazon usually takes about 10 days to get to you, which is pretty awesome.

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Most internet is fast enough for Skype video chat. Gmail chat video works most of the time, too. Cost is anywhere from $50/month to $100/month, depending on what company has the contract at your FOB.



Great great info here. I am definitely hoping to be able to have video chats with the kids as often as possible. I'm not sure what you mean about the sunglass lenses. What is the purpose of the clear ones? For night-time use? Thanks very much for the info and I'll continue to take all I can get.
Fly Army 97
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Yea, night time. If you are walking somewhere and the sand it out and about, you will be cursing t-sips the whole way.

- visine
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I curse t-sips anyway! But yeah....

Oh, it just rained for real here minutes ago. Finally!





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[This message has been edited by CAVGrunt97 (edited 8/30/2011 6:38a).]
Represent830
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Rep, I'll be working in intel as well.



Hmm... do let me know as soon as you find out. CJTF-1 CM&D?
BigBrother
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Sad to say, I honestly don't know any of those acronyms. I think I'll be one of the CIED folks.
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Anything else you can probably get at the PX or from Amazon. Amazon usually takes about 10 days to get to you, which is pretty awesome.



Amazon and NewEgg shipping to the desert is a lifesaver.

I may get railed for being a poon, but a mattress pad is a life saver(if you can, pre-order so it's waiting for you. There are 2 types of mattresses in the desert, those that feel like concrete covered with a sheet and those that seem like you're sleeping on the bunk springs.
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And whatever you do, do not drink the milk!

I still am suspicious as to whether or not it really comes from a cow.
Represent830
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Don't forget to get your daily intake of Cok, too!
BigBrother
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I'm going to assume you meant Coke, and hope we never meet if you didn't.
CAVGrunt97
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Represent likes the juice!







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Before coming to Iraq in Nov 2004, I went to Academy Outdoors and prepared as if I was going to live under a sheet hung up between trees during the winter. I was voted most prepared by the group I came over with.

My recommendations.

1.) Buy your stuff, then mail it over. You don't want to carry it through airports unless you will absolutely need it your first ten days in Afghanistan.

2.) Amazon.com shipping can be expensive. Buy two of an item, you'll be charged full shipping on both items as if they were shipping separately. Use Drugstore.com - we get stuff in Baghdad in 5-7 days - VERY fast.

3.) For Baghram going into winter - buy thicker winter socks. Early on, KBR had people sleeping in tents who woke up in the morning and couldn't feel their toes because they kicked the covers off in the night. Some ended up with frostbite and had to go home for medical, messing up the highest paying job they ever had. Maybe one of these if you'll be outside a lot in cold weather.

4.) If you'll be traveling from base to base either by helo or convoy, you'll be required to have eye protection, long sleeves and flame resistant gloves. Usually the Sawfly brand of eyepro on LA PoliceGear.com or similar sites has authorized styles of eye protection which will change out from dark lens (day use) or clear lens (night use). The flame resistant gloves they sometimes have in the PX for purchase. A cheap pair of half-sleeve fire resistant gloves can run $25 or so. A really good pair with knuckle protectors and extra padding can run $60 or $80. If you'll be deploying through Fort Benning (Army contract or as of 01 Sep Camp Atterbury / Indiana) Central Issue Facility for your vest/helmet/other military issue gear - you might just be getting some of this stuff there.

5.) Buy a 2" memory foam twin mattress topper, and mail it to yourself. You'll be glad you did, especially if you get stuck on an Army cot.

6.) If you're a light sleeper, be sure to bring a number of sets of foam earplugs with you on the flight over. Then buy a full box of them from Lab Safety and have them sent to your mailing address. They're cheap, and you don't want to be without them if you're a light sleeper and you end up in a tent with 20 snoring people. Also, buy the Bose Noise Cancelling headphones & bring on the flight over. If you get stuck near a screaming kid for 18 hrs on the flight, you can plug your Bose Quiet Comfort headphones into your iPod or into the airplane movie player and you won't be able to hear the kid screaming. You'll be glad you did. Also, buy a few Sleep Masks. Sometimes people don't want to turn off the lights until midnight - while you want to hit the hay at 10pm. This way, you can have your dark time and they can have their light time at night. You'll need some Melatonin - natural sleep aid. It will help you adjust your sleep patterns when you have jetlag (coming this way is worse than going back home). Also when people are up late talking and you want to get to sleep, you can pop a 5mg Melatonin and it's not a problem.

7.) Bring at least two pairs of shoes with you, and mail a few more pair so you have some to change out for when you get them covered in mud - you can just throw on a clean pair. Bring one pair of boots (waterproof is best, but these Converse side-zip boots are the favorite for contractors here) and tennis shoes (for the gym).

8.) Forget wearing jeans. Buy the 5.11 tactical operator pants with large and small pockets on each leg/normal weight for Winter, lightweight for Summer. You'll be glad you did, and may not go back to jeans even when you return home.

9.) Buy thermal underwear, bottoms & tops. Again - these may be issued to you if you're deploying through an Army base and will be issued items from the CIF. They will keep you warm on cold nights when the blankets just aren't enough.

10.) Get rechargeable batteries AA and AAA for cameras, remote controls, etc and a small compact charger. Like Energizer.

11.) You'll need two cloth laundry bags. Laundry turned into the KBR centers takes 3 days to get back on average. Bring enough socks, underwear to have plenty to tide you over while KBR sits on your dirty clothes for 3 days.

12.) Mail over a 60 day supply of vitamins/supplements/medicines. They may not carry your preferred supplements in the PX where you end up.

13.) If you wear prescription glasses, bring at least two new pairs and bring the prescription / paperwork with you. Also bring prescription sunglasses.

14.) Don't bring over dark colors. Bring beiges and tans - they don't show the dirt. No dark color pants. Neutrals all the way - preferably the color of dirt or mud.

[This message has been edited by b.blauser (edited 9/1/2011 12:43p).]
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^^^^

Excellent, thoughtful post. If I were the OP, I would appreciate your taking the time to write all that.
BigBrother
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Appreciate it? He just committed me to having to buy a ton of stuff and spend tons of money on shipping! I hope he's sending money with these suggestions.
BigBrother
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Just kidding. It was a great list of items.

I am definitely a little concerned about shipping costs. One thing I am surprised I haven't heard about is people leaving and selling items.
Fly Army 97
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Yea, it amazes me the number of dudes who wear jeans over here. I'd get the hiking pants that you can take the legs off and make into shorts when not in the office. One less item you gotta bring.

Not sure where that flame retardant glove/LL shirt thing came in...but gloves of some type are good to have.
b.blauser
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The voice of experience, my friends!

These are just my recommendations. Most don't come over with all this, but once they wise up they'll start asking their families to send it over for them.

My visit to Academy - I rang up a few shopping carts worth of stuff, about $1200 worth. If you don't have that much room on credit cards or have the cash, you might wait until you get there then just order what you need online. With this job, I had to deploy through the Army base at Fort Benning. We were there with troops deploying, went through the same training as they did (just didn't have to qualify with weapons), same medical stuff as they did (I had like 14 shots in one sitting). We also went through the supply issue facility (CIF) and were issued four duffle bags worth of military issue gear (including uniforms, etc) which totaled over $8500. Had to carry this over on the planes as well as my own personal luggage!

In Iraq, passengers will be turned away from a helo ride if no eye-pro(tection), ear-pro, long sleeves or gloves are observed by the crew chief. But then again, it depends on the attitude of the crew chief and what he wants to deal with. Some crews are sticklers, other crews let you ride at your own risk.

As far as the fireproof gloves. If you are in a fire situation, fingers will melt together leaving you unable to type, write, or even clean up after yourself once using the restroom. One of the last things you'd want to deal with recovering from burns is trying to regain the use of fingers if it's even a medical possibility. You will want to have fireproof gloves, but also winter gloves if you'll be working outside in the winter.

Just a suggestion/golden nugget - riding in the MRAPS. Choose the seat furthest away from the turret. Most of the time I'll selfishly snag the seat nearest the back door. Why? In an IED explosion where the vehicle hull is not penetrated, if fire enters the vehicle it typically will do so through the open turret. The further away from the open part of the vehicle, the better my chances of not suffering a burn.

I did have a friend who left Baghdad for a job in AFG which paid double what he was getting as an MRAP mechanic. After arriving at Baghram, the next day he was put on a convoy to roll out to the small Combat Outpost where he would live/work. He didn't end up in an MRAP, but opted instead to ride in the front of a PLS because his former military buddy he served with was driving it. Along the route, an IED hit the PLS cab, incinerating it. He and his military buddy were killed, and because the fire burned so hot so fast, there was little left to recover. In retrospect, we all wished he'd stayed and continued with us in Baghdad.

[This message has been edited by b.blauser (edited 9/2/2011 5:09a).]
Tango Mike
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If the vehicle is burning, it won't matter where you're sitting. And sitting in the back of an MRAP especially doesn't matter, since it takes 30 seconds to open the back door. And I've never seen a fire come through a turret into the troop compartment.

Seriously though, if you spend $1200 on crap to bring over, you're overthinking it.

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Represent830
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I totally meant Cok.

Trust me, when you get here and notice it you'll go, "Oh yeah! This is what he was talking about..." It's pretty delicious!
CAVGrunt97
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Cok in a Box! LMAO!!!!






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It's 100% Cok, too, so you KNOW it's good.
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I just got back from Bagram. I didn't read everything on this thread, but the internet will vary depending on where you live.

The USAF provides free wireless internet for people living in some areas. IO Global provides base-wide access. You need to get the $100/month package to be able to skype with decent video. In a few areas, Soldiers or contractors have bought their own dishes and they can provide internet at a cost for 10-20 people. If you see a dish in your living area, just ask your neighbors who owns it.

The PX has almost everything you need. Also, shipping your stuff home can be painful, so a lot of people sell the TV, PS3/Xbox, etc. You can get some deals from people on their way out. When you get ready to leave, consider posting fliers to selling what you don't want to keep so you don't have to buy tough boxes, pay for shipping w/ insurance, wait in long lines, etc.


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I'm on BAF currently and have numerous contractors in my office. You most likely will live in what is called a B-Hut. Small wooden and tin building with individual rooms that are 10x7. The room will have a bed and mattress. After that it depends on what the previous occupant built and/or left. My room had a chair, set of shelfs and small table. The b-huts have two window AC units. I work nights and even with them working it was still warm during the day. I'd bring a power strip and a small fan. You can get cable in your room but I don't know what it costs. Currently IO Global is the only option for internet ($100/Month) but there are MWR sites and the USO with free WIFI. The speed is slow but you can skype with it. Sniper Hill is supposed to be opening a new internet provide this month but nothing so far. Not only does laundry take 5-7 days they only take bags with 25 items or less. BAF has 4-5 DFACS with 3 on the west side and I think 2 on the east side. The PX is well stocked but it does run out at times and there are periods of time that both the PX and DFAC are military only. In regards to the tactical gear mentioned above it realy depends on how much moving around you are going to be doing.
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I spent a year at BAF. The first thing you need to find out is where you are staying. Most likely a b-hut. If this is the case one thing you really need is an electric blanket. The heating in those things suck and the electric blanket is a life saver.

Most of the base can get internet to the room so a laptop is great. Also a small tv. You can buy cheap movies and tv series at the foo store on base. Great deals, i got the whole soprano's box set for $50.

Most of the other stuff has been covered, make sure you have enough toiletries to last a month or so. The px are pretty good, but you can't count on them having anything right when you need it. Once you get there, make sure you keep a back up soap, razor, etc so you aren't ever without one. Winter can be really cold, so good cold weather gear is needed. You will be walking a ton so a good pair of warm boots and socks will be needed.

Once you get in your b hut it may be an empty cube with a bed, or have lots of shelving, etc. If it's empty, find some construction sites and talk to the inspectors about scavenging scraps to build a desk and shelves.

Avoid the showers the polish guys use. (Infantry village)

tony
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oh yeah, I don't know what you are doing, but anything that would make your job lots easier you might want to get sent over.

Also echo what was said above, I'm not sure how you are getting in country, but I went to a week of training in FLA, then flew to Manas air base. There I picked up body armor and helmet, chemical warfare bag, and cold weather bag. Those are each in addition to my luggage. Then you get to sit around for days at a time trying to get on a flight, and you have to lug all that stuff to the PAX terminal each time.
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+1 on the 5.11 tactical pants. It's all i wear now.

Also, when it gets time for R&R, you can take a flight out to Dubai instead of trying to trapse through the cluster that is the PAX terminal.
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Avoid the showers the polish guys use. (Infantry village)
BigBrother
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Seriously thanks for all of this info. It's great stuff. I've started in processing here in DC, and they've basically told me I could end up at any batallion level FOB. I personally think it will be higher than that because of the resources I'll need.
tony
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that changes lots of stuff. Bagram and Kandahar have good PX, some of the FOBS don't have much.
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