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1988PA-Aggie
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Downsized to a different part of the state, and much smaller house. Intent was to put an addition on one side of the house, as well as the rear; garage, shop, master bedroom/bath, great room, bonus room. Approximately doubling the size of the house. (Downsize, then upsize!)

Retained an architect based on a solid rec. Current house is 40 years old in a 3200 home woodsy/lakes community established about 50 years ago. In the late 70's, additional land was deeded to each lakefront homeowner so each homeowner was responsible for the shoreline.

Fast forward to today. Architect drew up initial concept drawings and we loved them. Just a few tweaks needed. Started lining up a few trades, maybe break ground in a month or 6 weeks!! Stupid me...

On his own, he then contacted zoning officer's secretary. Secretary then gave him the OLD land drawings from before the additional shoreline property was deeded to owners. So our lot appeared on paper to be 25% smaller, as well as the setbacks being incorrect (rear of the house had an additional 50 feet of space in the new deed reducing any possibility of setback encroachment to zero). Architect then redesigns the whole rear of the house in the concept drawings to reflect our perceived encroachment without telling me one word of any of this problem.

One month goes by, staying in contact with him with a few texts on progress status. No mention of redesign or issues. We get new concept drawings and they were radically different, almost everything he changed, we hated. Next day I get an invoice for $8k for the redesign and zoning changes.

He knows I am a contractor (cabinetmaker/kitchens), while I am not a civil engineer or architect, I can speak the language. All he had to do was say, "we have a problem", or "help me figure this out".

Did he do work? Yes. Was he at fault for bad info passed to him? No. But to do a redesign where it wasn't needed, without saying a word for one month, then billing me for every minute....infuriating.

(You're up next, Vaughn...always enjoy your stories)
Furlock Bones
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Yea that ain't your bill to pay. The architect screwed up by not contacting you. the audacity of him to even attempt billing you on that is one of numerous things wrong in the world these days.
BenTheGoodAg
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I saw an architect recommend that a homeowner go to Home Depot to have the staff provide solutions for waterproofing a kitchen backsplash.
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Oh my god.

Are his initials RB? Probably not but I feel like I used your guy. Lol.
04.arch.ag
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No horror stories here. All architects are great except the ones ABATTBQ11 work with.
Apache
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I would be sympathetic but firm up front... ain't gonna pay that bill.
ABATTBQ11
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04.arch.ag said:

No horror stories here. All architects are great except the ones ABATTBQ11 work with.


It's really just the 2, and I moved out of that part of the industry a few years ago. I've worked with some truly excellent ones.
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Our church has apparently had some kind of bad experience with an A/E. We moved into a new building about 4-5 years ago. Part of it was built with the intent to be used as classrooms for Sunday school and daycare. Well, the fire marshall killed that because of something to do with inadequate exits for that occupancy rating. We had to add an external for every room to make it work.. I wasn't a party to it, but that's my understanding. The kitchen was also not designed correctly. The fire marshall squashed any cooking in it because the ventilation is apparently only adequate for a large residential kitchen, not a commercial kitchen. That fix will be done at some point. The wife is on the board and knows more, but those are the ones I know of.
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Yeah...Churches seem to make a lot of bad decisions.

The old Church I attended turned an atrium into a closed area...but its design caused it to leak in any heavy rain.

They built a gym with a gravel shingle that broke apart and clogged the gutter.
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Haha I confess! I guess I just learned today how HD helpers have changed over the last 10 years from semi-retired tradesmen to ... what others claim are clueless. I've been away ....
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Slimy Architect story
An architect professor in the 70's assigns his class a design project near campus, the land is an investment of a Mexican restauranteer in search of development ideas. One three student team comes up with concepts that accentuate the hills & valleys, rather than filling all in to be flat-like. During the presentation, professor not only tears the idea apart, but also criticizes one of the student's choice of socks.

A few years later, this "C" project was built pretty close to student design ideas. Guess who the architect that "borrowed" it? General location maker best served by Fox & Hounds (now closed).
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tgivaughn
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EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS!?!??! Not even the foundation engineer makes that and he makes tons more/hr than I do! No wonder I have no concrete driveway yet. WOW, so sorry to hear this story. Hope he wasn't really licensed as a real architect but ....
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tgivaughn
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Church Architect
Revered Professor in charge of church building committee guides architect search for a new church away from capable locals to a magazine-famous one
1. the design failed structural engineering framing needs to support the steeple so it was built on the ground
2, this architect was also hired to be church building inspector with no supporting resume
3. all East side storms caused this generous window wall to leak for quite awhile
4. unruly monthly power bills got the preacher involved for lack of anyone else to serve ... discovered wrong type meter installed
5. unruly monthly power bills continued, so the volunteer building committee was charged to find a solution; new architect member climbed into the HVAC attic looking for air leaks only to find its RA duct was never connected to any interior ductwork, i.e. drawing 100% attic/"fresh"/outside air into the system (no conditioned recirculation)
6. the all-siding exterior quality chosen became an annual maintenance chore assigned to member-volunteer-"painters" (Professor excused self from manual labor)
7. one the very best ever preachers soon eagerly moved on & away from such stresses
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UnderoosAg
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ABATTBQ11 said:

The kitchen was also not designed correctly. The fire marshall squashed any cooking in it because the ventilation is apparently only adequate for a large residential kitchen, not a commercial kitchen.


I'm not defending your architonto, but the church kitchen argument goes back to Moses. Stick a stove in the small room attached to the gym/assembly hall/multipurpose building and it triggers the need for a three compartment sink, a grease trap, and a hood. No no, we promise it's a warming kitchen for plugging in 9 crockpots on potluck Sunday. Fine, no hood. Then here comes the spaghetti dinner and the fire marshal throws a fit.

As long as we're *****ing about folks in the trades, we had a county fire marshal insist on a Knox box on a brand new fire station. Let that sink in. Inspector went out, saw the box, looked at the chief, looked at the box, looked back at the chief and said, "are you F'ing with me?"

Said fire marshal ran around in a ballistic vest and sidearm.
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My neighbor is a recently retired fire Marshall. If he was at an event, he had to wear the vest and gun. He said that was the worst part of the job.
1988PA-Aggie
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tgivaughn said:

EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS!?!??! Not even the foundation engineer makes that and he makes tons more/hr than I do! No wonder I have no concrete driveway yet. WOW, so sorry to hear this story. Hope he wasn't really licensed as a real architect but ....
Oh, he is licensed. He is 67 yrs old, very experienced, and I have seen, and worked on, some of his projects. I knew going in that he was thoughtful, thorough, creative, but a bit pricey. But having moved to a new area, and it being somewhat remote, I didn't want to chance going with Johnny Architect down the road. And I didn't think that this project was going to be a massive undertaking architecturally speaking? ($12-15k in Arch fees?)

It is the arrogance. I have dealt with residential architects many many times. One common thread with many is that arrogance...the thinking that they have thought of everything and it is the best possible plan, and how could you question it? Maybe it is a little more common in residential? I don't know....

Of all projects that I have worked on where architects are involved, I would guess 80% were designed over what the customer wanted to spend by a fair amount (25%+), sometimes a lot. On several occasions I have heard the customer say that the bids were double what they wanted to spend. That's just poor communication.
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YIKES $15k WOW, so sorry for you + the non-comm screwup.
Indeed a new residential architect's ego gets inflated almost as much as the builder when things get built for all to see.
Of course, architects are blind to insider costs and if self-centered the combination tempts them to design a curbside billboard for selves.
Later on, the good ones try to rein in candy store wishes into an early-on agreed TotalSF budget the whole "team" has researched with prime builders.
Mistakes are still made by all but I do agree with your observations, as mine have been similar over the decades.
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Long time "A" home builder buddy advanced into more & more custom home builds which brought him in contact with more & various residential architects (on their way to being more commercial ones).

He was bidding a plan by an upcoming curbside billboard architect, whose Owner was baffled by why every builder wanted so much money to build their design.
As he patiently went through each of the big ticket items, he came to the 16 & 20ft tall ceilings.
"What tall ceilings might those be? We didn't want anything like that!?!?"
One by one the revelations unfolded.

As for me, I was thinking he was getting all the big budget Owners/clients/designs and me the tiny budgets in that era.

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UnderoosAg
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EMY92 said:

My neighbor is a recently retired fire Marshall. If he was at an event, he had to wear the vest and gun. He said that was the worst part of the job.

First time I met him, he rolled into a meeting 20 minutes late shaking the ice in his cup from a just finished lunch in full battle rattle. You could hear the eye rolling from the others in his department. The chief of a larger county VFD went on a good solid 15 minute rant about him went the knox box thing came up. Another local emergency services district chief outdid that rant a month or so later, and described in detail the push from a growing collective to have him removed. If he was required to wear all the gear, it didn't take much of a suggestion, and I'll bet dollars to donuts he was of the "do you know who I am" flavor. He didn't appreciate it at all when we very politely demonstrated the IBC and IFC didn't support all of his "violations" which led him to red tag and shut down a VFD fire station. A fire marshal actually shut down a fire station because they had the audacity to take a garage bay, replace the door, put up a wall, and add AC to create a mini gym for the crew.

Knox is a brand of lock box, probably the most common used by fire departments. You put a set of keys to your building in it and mount it high up on a wall. Box is keyed to a unique fire department key so they can get inside in an emergency. This dude had a fire department put one of these boxes on a fire station, so that a responding fire department from the same organization would be able to gain access in an emergency - assuming the crew who, you know, lived there, was out at a picnic or something that day. Never mind the stations were either keyed alike or had all the same fail safe keypads and locks.
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