JCA1 said:

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tjones said:

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JCA1 said:

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I think there's an argument for LIV getting points. But just saying it deserves points because it currently has good players is probably the worst one. For one, there's no guarantee it will continue to retain good players. And by that logic, a billionaire paying a couple top 10 players to compete against him every Saturday would require OWGR points (can't ignore 2 top 10 players!). At some point, you have to defend why the tour itself deserves to be recognized, regardless of the players who are in it. And if you can't make a case for why they deserve points without referencing their current players, that's a pretty big indictment for why they don't deserve points.

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There are 23 (23!!) tours that get owgr pointo. The Mexican tour, which plays 54 hole events, also get points.

No chance that LIV isn't a more talented pool of golfers than at least half of the 23 tours currently getting points.

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72 holes is the standard format for golf at the highest level and what OWGR requires with limited exceptions. But it's not a hill I want to die on. If people want to argue 54 holes should be fine, you won't get much pushback from me. But don't lose sight that LIV knew all of that and purposefully set up a tour that doesn't comply. Maybe ask why they set themselves up to be left out rather than screaming about people not changing their well established rules because someone purposefully chose not to comply?

As for the other tours that get points, most of those tours' available points is miniscule. That's not what liv is looking for. They want to be able to qualify for the majors via LIV. If LIV was given Mexican tour equivalent points, LIV would still be complaining. These have nothing to do with each other.

The dividing line for me is all of these other tours have well established ways to play your way on or off of them. Basically, professional golf is a merit-based pyramid where you either move up or down almost entirely on your performance. LIV sits outside that. There is no way to play your way on or off LIV. That's the main reason all of these tours get points and LIV doesn't (and I'm ignoring the other issue that the OWGR requires a complying tour exist for a full year before getting points).

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Aggie369 said:

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That's not 100% accurate.

They knew that they currently werent getting them but they were told that LIV was very confident that they would get OWGR.

For as easy as it is to understand they weren't getting them when they left...it should be just as easy to understand why they are fighting for them

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Willy Wonka said:

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Aggie369 said:

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That's not 100% accurate.

They knew that they currently werent getting them but they were told that LIV was very confident that they would get OWGR.

For as easy as it is to understand they weren't getting them when they left...it should be just as easy to understand why they are fighting for them

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So the players beef should be with Greg Norman and not the PGA

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