If so how do they compare to 919 or 921 forged? Why would you prefer the tour instead?

I play the 919 Forged right now and was thinking about a split set with tours for the short irons but wonder what my purpose would really be doing that. Are the 8/9/PW any more accurate vs the regular forged? I love the distance consistency the forged irons have.

stick with the forged. The tours are just unbelievably less playable. Unless you're just an insanely good iron player, they're no fun.

rhtexfish said:

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If so how do they compare to 919 or 921 forged? Why would you prefer the tour instead?

I play the 919 Forged right now and was thinking about a split set with tours for the short irons but wonder what my purpose would really be doing that. Are the 8/9/PW any more accurate vs the regular forged? I love the distance consistency the forged irons have.

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In theory, distance control is supposed to be better in the Tour head due to their design, but how that plays out in real life is probably marginal at best. And since you already stated you are happy with the Forged distance consistency, no reason to make the change. The Forged line offers a bit more forgiveness on mi****s as well.

Let's open a can O worms....

Most every golfer will tell you forged irons just feel softer at impact.

Really... Manufacturing process difference between forging and casting of a piece of steel can really translate to impact feel difference?

Because forged steel uses a softer metal??

What if we cast the same steel? Now it feels tougher?

I say BS.

It has more to do with the design of the clubhead, shock dampening materials incorporated to the design and the shaft that determine the feel and distance consistency and dispersion and not the clubhead manufacturing process of cast vs forged.

Take an identical design of cast vs forged irons and you won't be able to tell the difference.

khaos288 said:

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stick with the forged. The tours are just unbelievably less playable. Unless you're just an insanely good iron player, they're no fun.

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And I know you're not talking about cast vs forged here other than the names of the clubs.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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khaos288 said:

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stick with the forged. The tours are just unbelievably less playable. Unless you're just an insanely good iron player, they're no fun.

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And I know you're not talking about cast vs forged here other than the names of the clubs.

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Are the forged really cast?

I think I'm just getting into too much thought about tweaking things. I do really like the consistency of the 919F. Distance is very repeatable.

I think my real desire is to start executing more controlled shooting for better scoring instead of just looking at yardage and picking a club or liking to try to hit a long ball.

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khaos288 said:

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stick with the forged. The tours are just unbelievably less playable. Unless you're just an insanely good iron player, they're no fun.

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And I know you're not talking about cast vs forged here other than the names of the clubs.

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Correct, I had the tours, and they are just an overall more aggressive design with shape, size, and all that good stuff.

Bought the 921 forged 120 days ago...

2 to 5 handicap.

Age 57

Played blades my entire life, Just left the Nicklaus V-Foils, 2 iron looks like a butter knife. They get the ball in the air much better, they have a fatter bottom compared to my old digging blades. Huge difference, allows for a borderline fat shot to come off perfect vs. horribly bad.

The 921's are hot, when I say hot, they are a full club different than what you are probably hitting. Your old 7 iron is the 8 iron in the 921. So much so that they include an 8th club, true gap wedge. My new favorite club in the bag!

It takes a round or 2 to get use to mentally, but once you do, its really much better, the next club up is easier to hit the ball, it truly is.

Overall, I really like them. They hit the ball straight. I am struggling just slightly to move the ball as much right or left as I use to. Right seems to be easier than left, which probably is a good thing. Again only have them for 12 rounds or so. I will get that figured out.

I loved forged given that's all I have ever played, so hitting other clubs was really uncomfortable.

I went to my fitting with the idea I walking out with the new TM 790's or the new Titleist t200's. Swang 5 or 6 different clubs for 2 plus hours. Really liked the 790's, then he went and got the 921's. I did everything I could do to leave with the TM's and walked out with the 921's.

I love the extra distance, and the overall feel of the club.

It may not be your club, I am always hesitant about recommending anything, its like a stock... But I don't see how you can possibly go wrong with these clubs. Would very much recommend them, probably more so as your handicap goes up a little.

The gap wedge for whatever reason at 115 to 125 or so is just deadly!

Like the blades they have a throttle you can step on. You can hit them good, but you can stand on them also especially the 7 iron. Its like the 3rd gear in sports car, if you want to really hammer it, you can.

Hope that helps.

oldschool87 said:

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Bought the 921 forged 120 days ago...

2 to 5 handicap.

Age 57

Played blades my entire life, Just left the Nicklaus V-Foils, 2 iron looks like a butter knife. They get the ball in the air much better, they have a fatter bottom compared to my old digging blades. Huge difference, allows for a borderline fat shot to come off perfect vs. horribly bad.

The 921's are hot, when I say hot, they are a full club different than what you are probably hitting. Your old 7 iron is the 8 iron in the 921. So much so that they include an 8th club, true gap wedge. My new favorite club in the bag!

It takes a round or 2 to get use to mentally, but once you do, its really much better, the next club up is easier to hit the ball, it truly is.

Overall, I really like them. They hit the ball straight. I am struggling just slightly to move the ball as much right or left as I use to. Right seems to be easier than left, which probably is a good thing. Again only have them for 12 rounds or so. I will get that figured out.

I loved forged given that's all I have ever played, so hitting other clubs was really uncomfortable.

I went to my fitting with the idea I walking out with the new TM 790's or the new Titleist t200's. Swang 5 or 6 different clubs for 2 plus hours. Really liked the 790's, then he went and got the 921's. I did everything I could do to leave with the TM's and walked out with the 921's.

I love the extra distance, and the overall feel of the club.

It may not be your club, I am always hesitant about recommending anything, its like a stock... But I don't see how you can possibly go wrong with these clubs. Would very much recommend them, probably more so as your handicap goes up a little.

The gap wedge for whatever reason at 115 to 125 or so is just deadly!

Like the blades they have a throttle you can step on. You can hit them good, but you can stand on them also especially the 7 iron. Its like the 3rd gear in sports car, if you want to really hammer it, you can.

Hope that helps.

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Did you try the 921 tours at all in your fitting?

rhtexfish said:

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oldschool87 said:

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Did you try the 921 tours at all in your fitting?

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I did, I swallowed a little pride thinking I would keep these for 10+ years... The biggest difference was the bottom weighting. I went with that vs. the overall tour club. If you want the tours, then get the tours, I would not see a huge delta in anything else.

Might be why its harder to work the ball with the non tour version. Again, I am probably at a different stage than you might be.

If I did entertain them it would only be as a combo and even then I'm not sure that it would be a gain in reality. Are the 9/P/Gw tour going to grip that much better than the forged? or be more consistent right to left? Or is that more the golf swing vs the club.

rhtexfish said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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khaos288 said:

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stick with the forged. The tours are just unbelievably less playable. Unless you're just an insanely good iron player, they're no fun.

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And I know you're not talking about cast vs forged here other than the names of the clubs.

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Are the forged really cast?

I think I'm just getting into too much thought about tweaking things. I do really like the consistency of the 919F. Distance is very repeatable.

I think my real desire is to start executing more controlled shooting for better scoring instead of just looking at yardage and picking a club or liking to try to hit a long ball.

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This is where my improvement has come from.

I worked on 150 yards in. I wasn't looking for more distance with my irons, I looked for how far my scoring clubs went on good hits vs. bad hits and the average distance.

My score is mostly based on GIR. If I go over 12, I'm going low 70's. Around 10, mid to high 70s and less than 10, 80's.

rhtexfish said:

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If I did entertain them it would only be as a combo and even then I'm not sure that it would be a gain in reality. Are the 9/P/Gw tour going to grip that much better than the forged? or be more consistent right to left? Or is that more the golf swing vs the club.

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I draw the ball. I can hook better than anyone else in the world. This also means I can block it way right pretty good too.

Right to left or left right begin with my left hand grip, for me. followed by shaft flex.

jj9000 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Let's open a can O worms....

Most every golfer will tell you forged irons just feel softer at impact.

Really... Manufacturing process difference between forging and casting of a piece of steel can really translate to impact feel difference?

Because forged steel uses a softer metal??

What if we cast the same steel? Now it feels tougher?

I say BS.

It has more to do with the design of the clubhead, shock dampening materials incorporated to the design and the shaft that determine the feel and distance consistency and dispersion and not the clubhead manufacturing process of cast vs forged.

Take an identical design of cast vs forged irons and you won't be able to tell the difference.

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The real difference in feel is nothing more than our interpretation of the different sounds of the iron...when struck.

If you put a cast club and a forged club in a Club players hand...put earplugs into their ears...they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between cast vs. forged.

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We agree on something finally?

AggieDruggist89 said:

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jj9000 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Let's open a can O worms....

Most every golfer will tell you forged irons just feel softer at impact.

Really... Manufacturing process difference between forging and casting of a piece of steel can really translate to impact feel difference?

Because forged steel uses a softer metal??

What if we cast the same steel? Now it feels tougher?

I say BS.

It has more to do with the design of the clubhead, shock dampening materials incorporated to the design and the shaft that determine the feel and distance consistency and dispersion and not the clubhead manufacturing process of cast vs forged.

Take an identical design of cast vs forged irons and you won't be able to tell the difference.

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The real difference in feel is nothing more than our interpretation of the different sounds of the iron...when struck.

If you put a cast club and a forged club in a Club players hand...put earplugs into their ears...they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between cast vs. forged.

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We agree on something finally?

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Ear plugs, blind fold...

YOu can blind fold me, and I can tell you where the ball goes... I would disagree 100% on if they could tell cast vs forged. Sound would be the last thing I would be really be concerned about. My driver vs 3 wood vs 7 wood vs sandwedge vs 5 iron all make different sounds.

But I can 100% feel where they go and the difference.

oldschool87 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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jj9000 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Let's open a can O worms....

Most every golfer will tell you forged irons just feel softer at impact.

Really... Manufacturing process difference between forging and casting of a piece of steel can really translate to impact feel difference?

Because forged steel uses a softer metal??

What if we cast the same steel? Now it feels tougher?

I say BS.

It has more to do with the design of the clubhead, shock dampening materials incorporated to the design and the shaft that determine the feel and distance consistency and dispersion and not the clubhead manufacturing process of cast vs forged.

Take an identical design of cast vs forged irons and you won't be able to tell the difference.

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The real difference in feel is nothing more than our interpretation of the different sounds of the iron...when struck.

If you put a cast club and a forged club in a Club players hand...put earplugs into their ears...they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between cast vs. forged.

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We agree on something finally?

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Ear plugs, blind fold...

YOu can blind fold me, and I can tell you where the ball goes... I would disagree 100% on if they could tell cast vs forged. Sound would be the last thing I would be really be concerned about. My driver vs 3 wood vs 7 wood vs sandwedge vs 5 iron all make different sounds.

But I can 100% feel where they go and the difference.

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Agreed -- I can tell the difference in forged heads I play based on hand vibration. The idea that a player can't discern a difference between cast & forged is dubious.