you guys are awful at this game
quote:This is a good post, and illustrative of what I'm talking about.
I believe the tour stats for driving distance are only measured on two holes per round also...and the shot must be in the fairway. I tend to average my yardages off the tee whether in the fairway or not, so the ones that do make it in the fairway are probably better struck, so maybe my average is more like 290+. I just try not to artificially inflate numbers or decrease "what I usually shoot".
Asking what someone usually shoots is always fun. Even funner when you ask what peoples handicap is and due to lack of knowledge about how it is actually measured and what it means, most people are way off. A 0 hdcp doesn't shoot even par every round, but that is a common misconception. The term scratch golfer doesn't mean you shoot even par every round either.
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There are most likely several guys at your club that you know of that can push it out there 280+ off the box. Its not all that uncommon.
quote:Yet, you mentioned the person being a scratch golfer playing from the "senior tees". A scratch golfer (AKA 0 handicap) is independent of tees played.quote:This is a good post, and illustrative of what I'm talking about.
I believe the tour stats for driving distance are only measured on two holes per round also...and the shot must be in the fairway. I tend to average my yardages off the tee whether in the fairway or not, so the ones that do make it in the fairway are probably better struck, so maybe my average is more like 290+. I just try not to artificially inflate numbers or decrease "what I usually shoot".
Asking what someone usually shoots is always fun. Even funner when you ask what peoples handicap is and due to lack of knowledge about how it is actually measured and what it means, most people are way off. A 0 hdcp doesn't shoot even par every round, but that is a common misconception. The term scratch golfer doesn't mean you shoot even par every round either.
More than likely you are in the baseline of longer hitters in club play I use above. There are most likely several guys at your club that you know of that can push it out there 280+ off the box. Its not all that uncommon.
Also, I agree with the lack of knowledge around HDCP.
Technically, a 0 HDCP / scratch can play his/her home course and never shoot even Par even once.
quote:I understand this, and it's precisely why I made the point.quote:Yet, you mentioned the person being a scratch golfer playing from the "senior tees". A scratch golfer (AKA 0 handicap) is independent of tees played.quote:This is a good post, and illustrative of what I'm talking about.
I believe the tour stats for driving distance are only measured on two holes per round also...and the shot must be in the fairway. I tend to average my yardages off the tee whether in the fairway or not, so the ones that do make it in the fairway are probably better struck, so maybe my average is more like 290+. I just try not to artificially inflate numbers or decrease "what I usually shoot".
Asking what someone usually shoots is always fun. Even funner when you ask what peoples handicap is and due to lack of knowledge about how it is actually measured and what it means, most people are way off. A 0 hdcp doesn't shoot even par every round, but that is a common misconception. The term scratch golfer doesn't mean you shoot even par every round either.
More than likely you are in the baseline of longer hitters in club play I use above. There are most likely several guys at your club that you know of that can push it out there 280+ off the box. Its not all that uncommon.
Also, I agree with the lack of knowledge around HDCP.
Technically, a 0 HDCP / scratch can play his/her home course and never shoot even Par even once.
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That's the funny thing, in all seriousness, it's very rare that I play with anyone longer than me. But I drive it probably 230-250 on an average well-struck drive, and maybe up to 275 on my bestest bestest swings. At 230-250, I am a longer than average hitter. Like I said, very rare that I get paired with someone longer than me.
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That's the funny thing, in all seriousness, it's very rare that I play with anyone longer than me. But I drive it probably 230-250 on an average well-struck drive, and maybe up to 275 on my bestest bestest swings. At 230-250, I am a longer than average hitter. Like I said, very rare that I get paired with someone longer than me.
quote:AS an FYI.....the average driver lengths for tour pros is measured on 2 holes per tournament day. It is not an accurate measurement.quote:Yeah, I've hit drives 280 before, but that is not the norm. There are 23 PGA players that average drives over 300 yards. Jason Dufner (and many others) average below 290.quote:I don't doubt it is possible that there are some young limberbacks in here that can do it, and more power to you if you are one of them! I'm over 50 so maybe my perspective is a little skewed. My observations of the general population of middle-aged club golfers, even the good ones, is that those people are a low percentage of the players. And, just because you hit an occasional drive "optimal" does not mean that is your typical drive on which to base your expectations.quote:There more in the 280-290 range than you suggest.
A swing speed of 100 to 110 will fly the ball about 240- 260 yards with a clean strike and minimal side spin, plus about 5% - 10% roll. My guess is that in "neutral" conditions, the longest hitters you'll come across in normal club play do not exceed the top end of that range (280-290-ish) and those would be rare.
Although, I suppose most people are going toward their max, not average. Better someone is the closer the average is to the max.
quote:My mistake....typed faster than I thought. You are correct......but I have hit 14 out of 14 fairways before.
15 out of 14 fairways is pretty impressive
quote:I still take one more club everytime I'm trying to reach the green. Occasionally I'll over shoot it, but I hit it alot more now. Puring it off the mats at the range gives a good boost to distance than off the fairway up a green complex.
player E here, +0.4 hdcp
distances with recreational golfers is a pretty much a cluster. See it all the time, people trying to hit clubs they have no chance at getting close to the green because that one time they "pured it" and got it there. I would challenge everybody in double digit handicaps to take 2 more clubs on every shot, slow down a bit and see what happens. If you end up going over more than half the greens, then next round take one more club on every shot. It would be an interesting experiment.
IMHO, chipping from behind the green 10-15 yards is the same as chipping from 10-15 in front of the green, but just like short putts, never up never in (or in this scenario never up, never on).
If you take a longer club, and not if, but WHEN you mis-hit it, it will go shorter - the proper distance - and give you a putt instead of a chip. I'd be curious to see how this works for someone...
People could reduce their scores dramatically with better club selection and better course management, and none of this takes hours beating balls on the range.
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In todays game with laser range finders, more people know how far they hit than they used to. Of course there are factors involved with every shot/round but there is no way I would doubt anyone who I haven't seen play. I am 45 now and still carry my drives 260-270 with varying amounts of roll. I hit several drives every round in the 300-320 range dependent on all of the variables. My buddies and I are always trying to outdo each other and have measured these shots out of fun. BTW...I also hit 10-15 fairways a round routinely.
quote:one of the most systematic, and factual burns I have ever read.quote:
In todays game with laser range finders, more people know how far they hit than they used to. Of course there are factors involved with every shot/round but there is no way I would doubt anyone who I haven't seen play. I am 45 now and still carry my drives 260-270 with varying amounts of roll. I hit several drives every round in the 300-320 range dependent on all of the variables. My buddies and I are always trying to outdo each other and have measured these shots out of fun. BTW...I also hit 10-15 fairways a round routinely.
Based on this paragraph, you are the best driver of the golf ball in the world today. Henrik Stenson is #2 on Tour in total driving. He only hits 69% of his fairways (whereas you hit anywhere from 70% on a bad day to 107% on a good day) and he only manages to average 292 yards, whereas your average, according to the above, must be somewhere in the 290 range as well (crediting you with just 3 drives per round of 310 yards and 11 drives of just 285, which is very conservative based on what you said).
So I'm really not trying to be rude, but just trying to point out what things look like using real numbers. If your numbers were true, you would be the best driver in the world by a pretty large margin. At age 45.