How do you know the person that sneaks in a 6 pack would buy beers for $3-4 a pop at the course ? Maybe he wouldn't buy anything if he didn't sneak beer in. Alot of people are frugal and wouldn't want to spend $8 plus $2 tip on 2 beers when they could buy a 12 pack with that money.

I hardly ever get hammered on the course because it makes that $60 round into a $100 round or more. I also hardly ever sneak beer in, but if I did I would still buy a few beers at the course like I usually do anyways.

Out of all the rounds I play each year, I might bring in a 12 pack total, and I wouldn't have ordered those beers anyways from the course if I didn't bring it in.

I'm sure courses lose some revenue from it, but I doubt the dudes sneaking in a case of beer would have spent $100 on it on the course.

I haven't seen a course that charges $3-4 dollars a beer in a long time.. Not saying courses don't charge that, it just seems high.. We charge around $11 for a six pack with a cooler and ice.. That's about the same you would pay at a bar... We have TABC signs posted that it is illegal to bring your own beer.. Our girls are certified by the TABC to serve alcohol .. Where this practice of bringing your own gets scary is of you get fall down drunk (off your own beer) , then leave our course and have a wreck.. Our course then could be considered liable if police think WE over served you... That is our biggest fear.. I really think you guys just enjoy the sneaky factor in this .. What's sad is all of you probably can afford to buy beer at your respective courses.. You just choose not to... The golf business isn't what it was a decade ago.. Margins aren't as big as the used to be because EVERY club is struggling in one way or another... Fuel, labor , electricity , fertilizer , food, liquor, equipment costs have all sky rocketed in price ... And at the same time less people are playing... I'm not going to stop anyone from doing this by posting on a message board but, y'all should at least know the risks involved that could affect a lot of people in many ways..

Let me give you some examples of what your $40-$50 dollars of beer sales would buy for me.. Look at how far it gets me and then decide if I need every single sale I can get..

1 bag of a very good pre emergent herbicide - $39 (only covers 7,000 sqft)
1 gallon of liquid fertilizer for the greens $45 ( I need 5 gallons for my greens each week)
$50 will fill up about 4 golf carts
$64 will pay an employee making $8 for 8 hours ( does not include taxes or workers comp)
My electricity bill is $6,000/ month
My equipment lease bill is $5,800 / month

I could keep going but I just wanted to give y'all a few examples how EVERY dollar counts when it comes to operating a course..

that's the risk of starting a business. Businesses exist to fill market needs...consumers don't exist to keep businesses afloat.

Build a better brand of golf and gain market share through customer loyalty...not through pricing gimmickry by reducing your green fees and charging out the *** for beer due to a captive audience.

Or raise your greens fees and offer a superior product.

Or learn how to purchase better.

You really don't get it...

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that's the risk of starting a business. Businesses exist to fill market needs...consumers don't exist to keep businesses afloat.

Build a better brand of golf and gain market share through customer loyalty...not through pricing gimmickry by reducing your green fees and charging out the *** for beer due to a captive audience.

Or raise your greens fees and offer a superior product.

Wow. You sure know slot about business. Especially the golf business. Your opening paragraph could be the most ignorant thing ever posted in this forum. You should consider a carreer in golf.

Or learn how to purchase better.

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Serious question for Trout and Iknapp...how about bringing my own water on the course in the summer? It takes away from potential water//Gatorade sales but does not violate TABC rules or make you liable for over consumption.

I don't take issue with bringing your own water.. We give it away at 4 different locations on the course... We encourage our players to stay hydrated ..

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that's the risk of starting a business. Businesses exist to fill market needs...consumers don't exist to keep businesses afloat.

Build a better brand of golf and gain market share through customer loyalty...not through pricing gimmickry by reducing your green fees and charging out the *** for beer due to a captive audience.

Or raise your greens fees and offer a superior product.

Or learn how to purchase better.

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You've never taken an economics class have you?

Also thanks for answering my tabc question... Was at the chicken for the first time in a while and they had signs up and I didn't remember that

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Blaring music on the golf course. Regardless of how empty it is

If you don't like the rules or prices someplace don't go there. It's interesting how many different ways cheating, stealing or whatever this is has been justified on this thread. If something is wrong then it's wrong even if it doesn't fit your purpose.

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wow, now you're just really reaching. For one, water is essential to LIFE (beer isn't). And, I have NEVER been on a course where they didn't have water stations every couple of holes. Water is FREE, so by bringing your own water, you take $0 from potential sales. Not to mention the liability by not allowing players to bring water (have you ever seen a gym say "no water allowed?").


But, pretty much what I've learned on this thread is most of you think "well, it's ok to break the rules because it costs more than I'd like". It's pretty pathetic the justification most of you are using.

I mean, tea is $2 at most restaurants, are you packing in your own tea?

You guys just need to admit you're cheapskates and quit thinking it's "OK" to sneak beer onto a course.

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I haven't seen a course that charges $3-4 dollars a beer in a long time.. Not saying courses don't charge that, it just seems high.

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This actually isn't high. I think $3 is probably the cheapest I've seen any on-course beers in a long time. Even the gatorades and powerades will run in the $3 ballpark.

Again, we've mostly done it more of the convenience and constant flow, but since I'm putting so many livelihoods in peril, maybe I'll stop. After I've dropped $70 for the round, it sure isn't the extra $10 on beer I might spend on the course vs. on my own that makes a difference.

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how about bringing my own water on the course in the summer?

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wow, now you're just really reaching. For one, water is essential to LIFE (beer isn't). And, I have NEVER been on a course where they didn't have water stations every couple of holes. Water is FREE, so by bringing your own water, you take $0 from potential sales. Not to mention the liability by not allowing players to bring water (have you ever seen a gym say "no water allowed?").


But, pretty much what I've learned on this thread is most of you think "well, it's ok to break the rules because it costs more than I'd like". It's pretty pathetic the justification most of you are using.

I mean, tea is $2 at most restaurants, are you packing in your own tea?

You guys just need to admit you're cheapskates and quit thinking it's "OK" to sneak beer onto a course.

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"stealing" from a golf course = bad

"stealing" music = okay

got it, blue-eyes

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?forum_id=12&topic_id=1986712&page=1&nomobile=1

the best place to sneak on at least a case of beer is Bear Creek, then go take target practice at the birthday parties in the park or moving targets on Clay rd.

I don't pay anything for Pandora like you don't pay anything for the free water on the golf course.

Like putting the free water from the coolers on the golf course into my plastic bottle for later consumption, I'm bottling up the songs for later listening

While I've never been guilty of sneaking beer onto the golf course (I don't typically drink while I play)...

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I mean, tea is $2 at most restaurants, are you packing in your own tea?

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...I've certainly minimized the amount of iced tea that I consume.

$2 for iced tea is ridiculous. I'd really like to have a glass of tea in the hot months, but on pure principle I can't pay that price. I'd have to drink two gallons to justify that.

What really irks me are the restaurants that no longer put drink prices on menu (Chuy's cough cough). It's like they'r ashamed to admit that you'll be taking it in the shorts. One more reason to eat elsewhere I suppose.

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Bringing your own beer to the course is not all about the club losing revenue on beer sales. It's potentially getting caught by the TABC and having a heavy fine levied or liquor license revoked against the club.

So it's not analogous to bringing your own candy to the movie theater because the theater just loses the money that is not earned by you bringing your own candy.

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Wow. You sure know slot about business. Especially the golf business. Your opening paragraph could be the most ignorant thing ever posted in this forum. You should consider a carreer in golf.

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I'll admit that the middle part was ignorant, but how is the first part?

I get that a course needs all the revenue it can get with rising fixed costs. However, people still will find a way to minimize their expeditures...and all a course can do is enforce their own rules.

What's the % of revenue devoted to course maintenance? What's the % of revenue that the average course gains from beer sales?

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Bringing your own beer to the course is not all about the club losing revenue on beer sales. It's potentially getting caught by the TABC and having a heavy fine levied or liquor license revoked against the club.

So it's not analogous to bringing your own candy to the movie theater because the theater just loses the money that is not earned by you bringing your own candy.

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Seems like they need the beer sales to stay afloat.

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It's potentially getting caught by the TABC and having a heavy fine levied or liquor license revoked against the club.

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that's not the real issue. As has been pointed out, TABC has busted what 1 club? It is a nice excuse for clubs to crack down on and says its a law, but not really enforced.

It's kinda like the law that you cannot have beer in the parking lots at softball games. When the cops do show up they tell us to put it away or to dump it out. Never seen them ticket the park for allowing us to drink beer.

Bear creek should pay YOU to sneak in beer and play that course is in such bad shape.

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We charge around $11 for a six pack with a cooler and ice...

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I wouldn't sneak beer onto a course that charges reasonable prices, and has cart girls to make sure that I don't get thirsty.

It's the courses that charge over $20 for a six pack that encourage you to bring your own.

Just kidding trout, don't stroke out dude.

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I wouldn't sneak beer onto a course that charges reasonable prices, and has cart girls to make sure that I don't get thirsty.

It's the courses that charge over $20 for a six pack that encourage you to bring your own

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THIS.

Yeah please tell me what course has $11 six packs. I will be there this weekend

They need to strap a keg to the beverage cart and offer $25 All You can Drink Keg Beer. Bring your own cup

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Longwood used to do this.

You'd get too much head from the keg, and not enough from the cart girl.

Every course I play at ends up being $20 or more for a 6 pack when you include a few dollar tip. And I'm not playing at really nice courses. Cypresswood, woodlands resorts, woodforest are all in this price range.

Again, I don't see the dude sneaking in a case Actially buying all those beers if he was out there and didn't bring beer. A guy sneaking jn 12 beers does not equal 12 beers of lost revenue when you don't know if he would have purchased those beers for $40.


And since it's a tabc issue, how often do then come out there ? And do they personally check people's bags and carts ?

Playing Blackhorse in Cypress with some buddies next Tuesday for the first time.

What's the beer/cart girl situation like out there?

As long as you show up with about 48 beers jammed into your golf bag, you should be good to go. Make sure you wait until you've droppped your bag in the parking lot to stuff them into it. Give a knowing wink to any staff or TABC enforcement officer that notices.

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Cypress Lakes in cypress doesnt have a license so they openly allow you to bring your own cooler and have "free beer" (donations accepted) at the snack bar.

Not a bad course for what it is, especially for taking your beverages without getting hassled.

SFA in San Felipe is $2 each. I buy 3 before teeing off then 2 or 3 more at the turn. They don't have cart girls but have bags and ice.

River Ridge is $2.50 each, but they have a cart girl, on weekends anyway. I usually buy 2-4 there.

The only thing I sneak on is a flask to kill the pain/shanks.

Cody
Fightin Texas Aggie c/o 04

if you're drinking the same beers sold at the course, how could tabc even prove that you didn't buy them from the clubhouse or the cart girl. sorry if already discussed.