I don't know how many of y'all read the current article on cbssportsline worshipping Young, but I just wanted to see if any of y'all found it laughable how much the media will stretch to overrate this guy. The author listed "myths" about Young's weaknesses, then offered "facts" that were supposed to prove otherwise:

"Perception: Young can't read a defense, relying more on his athleticism.

Fact: Young already has been looking at Ohio State film in preparation for one of the season's early Armageddon games, Sept. 10 in Columbus."


How in the world does the fact that Brown sat him down in a room to watch game film, in any way logically combat an argument that he can't read a defense?? WEAK.
Just pointing out one specific example of the irritating hype. I hope Reggie blows this guy up.

[On second thought, off to the Rivalry Board with ya!]

[This message has been edited by TexAgs staff (edited 4/5/2005 7:39p).]

Unfortunately, Reggie and VY will never be on the field at the same time. Reggie will be behind the A&M o-line, facing the tu defense, while VY will be behind the tu o-line facing our defense.
I have to give VY the early nod, based on the o-line factor.

The Reggie/VY debate will never be answered, similar to any NFL QB debate (Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady, etc). They don't line up across from each other.

Bitter much?

The NFL will sort this controversy out.

In time we will see who the better QB is by people whose loyalty is neither maroon or burnt orange, but green $s.

Obviously, Reggie doesn't have the support and protection VY does on the field. But as far as the VY/Reggie "debate", one can pretty easily assess their talent levels as QBs, watching both of them play.

Hippy - bitter? No. If you can't admit that VY is overhyped, you're delusional. Of course he's a great QB. My point is how laughable it is when the media will stretch their arguments to where VY can simply do no wrong.

Which of the two will stay at QB in the NFL?

Who does better in NFL has no bearing whatsoever on the question of who is a better college QB. Unfortunately (and yes I think it is because of the talent around VY) - the debate isnt close. They look at Ws.

VY is a great runner, but there is no comparison in arm strength and passing ability. yes, VY had decent passing numbers last year, in large part due to the running ability of Benson and himself. line the two up and watch them make the different throws required of NFL QBs. no comparison.

VY will catch many more NFL passes than McNeal.

For the article regarding College Football it is dead on, but when talking Pro's Reggie has the distinct advatage IMO.

Check out that throwing motion...

BOMC.....

You ags just can't believe how an unbiased new source could possibly report something positive about your hated rival, something everyone in aggieland knows isn't true....

The funniest part of Austin Hippies post is that those are pictures of Vince Young running the ball.

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Hippies, anyone can run with a football...

Then why don't they?

Because most QBs can do that little thing called throw that they are supposed to do.

Wow you just walked right into that one didnt ya?

you guys don't watch much texas football if you still think young is overrated. that kid is a force by himself, and he is getting stronger. he single handedly saved our asses at least 4 times last season. we wouldn't have been in the rose bowl without him, and we sure as hell wouldn't have won. didn't you see the michigan defenders sobbing after each of his touchdowns??

Somebody has been drinking a little to much Kool-Aid. With that team, half the QBs in CF could have made the Rose Bowl. VY singlehandidly lost the OU game and tried very hard to lose 3 others. He actually hurt your team just as often as he helped.

The quarterback's job is to effectively lead the offense down the field and score points. If he does that by throwing the football, running it, or kicking defenders in the nuts at will, I really don't care. So you mean, I walked into a juvenile discussion about the game? Thanks. Get back to me whenever VY isn't about the bottom line- winning big games and playing his best when the chips are down. I'll let you losers complain about how fashionable or stylish those victories are

quick question - why would you throw when you face defenses on the road like this?



it is absolutely laughable that you guys are now saying the debate is unaddressable until the NFL, after heads up 2-0 record, a Rose Bowl MVP, 21 wins in 2 years, legitimate heisman contention discussion, and national attention vs. annihilation in the cotton bowl, an epic 77-0 game (a total that i would bet my life i will never see again, etc.), ~.500 record, etc. but it's especially funny since you same people were saying things like: "wait until they meet head to head" and/or "look at their high school performances - reggie beat vince straight up, he's the better quarterback" - lmao - so we can judge them head-to-head at the high school level and the pro level, but not at the college level, ay? interesting...


[This message has been edited by Jus00 (edited 4/5/2005 6:42p).]

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reggie beat vince straight up

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I'm aware of Westlake outscoring Madison in a shootout, in turn they got beat the following week by Lufkin. But I am not aware of any head to head match-ups

They will never get it, so whats the point of arguing? What makes this even funnier than it already is is the fact that When Chris Simms came to Texas, EVERY Texas fan and their Dog was talking about his throwing ability, and when everyone questioned his mobility, Texas fans said mobility didnt matter for a QB. This is what happens when half your "fans" by a tee shirt and think they went to Texas.

The point is, VY did not "win" sh*t last year. C-Bong, your great O-Line and your defense won, VY just reaped the rewards of being on a great team. He almost lost the Mizzu game by himself, did lose the OU game, tried to help out CU all he could, and made a lovely goal line leap against A&M that really put your team in a hole at halftime. He is not a smart QB, he doesnt know how to throw, and once teams realize that C-Bong is no longer back there, they will tea off on VY and he will realize quickly how much he misses Benson. Aggie fans will just wait ion the wings as teasips slowly realize just how overated VY really is. It happened with Simms, it happened with Appelwhite, and it will happen with Young. It is inevitable. Texas fans are so predictable is hilarious.

"The point is, VY did not "win" sh*t last year. C-Bong, your great O-Line and your defense won, VY just reaped the rewards of being on a great team. He almost lost the Mizzu game by himself, did lose the OU game,"

I watched the OU game VY didn't reap any benifits from our great O-Line or our defense.

I watched the Rose Bowl and our defense wasn't exactly great, the O-line was good.

The defense was not good in the Okie-lite game until after they realized they were down 28 points to the ****y OSU. Cedric Benson carried us through that game I seem to remember 5 TDs or something. Vince did drive the team down the field passing with less that 2 mins left in half THROWING the ball not scrambling once.

In the Kansas game he made the 4th and 18 play. Not the O-line, not the defense, not Ced, VINCE DID!!!! 4TH and ****ing 18!!! Then VY (the guy whom you all say cant pass threw a pass to Tony Jeffery only where Tony could catch it.

Vince did win games for Texas last year. I seem to remember that Reggie lost a few for you.

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Guys - face it VY is a stud. At this point he hasnt needed to pass well. As I posted before - SI listed Frazier as the #1 QB of the last 25 years and all he did was run and chunk 3rd and 7s to the tight end. VY is possibly the best running QB I have ever seen. Hopefully - the loss of Ced and a year for D.C.s to key on him will cause a down turn - but for now he is a freak. Face it.

Where VY ends up in the pros is irrelevant. I think he will be a WR. But for now he is a freak of a college QB - and what he has over Reggie is Ws. If we can put up the Ws - then Reggie will be getting huge headlines. But to think VY doesnt deserve the headlines is ridiculous.

The only reason VY had a chance for the 4th and 18 was because of the worst call of the CF season. And the pass he threw for a TD was a duck to a WIDE OPEN WR. I could have thrown that pass. I think Texas fans have forgotton was good passing really is. And the reason he did not reap the rewards against OU? Because OU was a better team and just kicked your a**.

ummm, when was applewhite proven to be overrated exactly? you show how truly marooned eyed you silly aggies are by that comment. did you even watch the rose bowl--any of you? benson was hurt on the first offensive play of the game and he sucked the rest of the time. the defense was shaky at best. young running all over the michigan defense is why we won. bottom line. you disagree? go ask the michigan fans. every single comment i got after the game from michigan fans started with "that kid is amazing". clearly aggies know more than michigan fans, though....

btw, i believe vince is 2-0 against your precious reggie that is so much better than vince. and a year more experienced. funny, huh?

i would take vince of nearly any other qb in the country right now.

VY is a Stud ATHLETE, not a stud QB. There is a huge difference.

"This is what happens when half your "fans" by a tee shirt and think they went to Texas."

It is likely more than half. Texas is the most popular school in Texas.


As far as the rest of you post goes it just shows that you don't know what you are talking about. CB was a great back, but he averged 94 ypg before Vince Young became the starting QB for Texas. Since VY has been the starting QB, CB has averged 164 ypg. CB's yards per carry went up as well. I don't know what any of that means, but it seems to directly contradict the broad unsubstantiated BS that you just put out there with not fact behind it whatsoever.

BTW, The pass to Jeffery was not a duck. The announcer's words were "and he just throws a strike!"


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You are probably to young to remember, but Appelwhite was the shiznit when he got to tu. That didnt last long....

And, once again, VY did so well against Michigan because they were so keyed on stopping Benson, which they did, that they allowed VY to run all over them. They didnt adjust for some reason once VY started running. Point is, without Bongson to focus on, Michigan would have not let him run for 4 TDs.

And VY is 2-0 against A&M because he has the better team.

Quick guys, the Longhorn rookies are out in full force tonight....

Do you have this many excuses for everything in your life? I really hope not. And that's a V next to my name

All you longhorns that are on here huffing...go back and read the first post. I made no argument about A&M v. UT. The quote from that article is LAUGHABLE. The point is that, regardless of reason or reality, everyone on the hype bandwagon is blinded to any rational argument. VY is GOD to these people, and it's laughable. He is an amazing athlete. But there are tons of amazing athletes. WINS is a TEAM statistic, I don't care how you slice it. The point is, if you cannot admit that this guy is overhyped in articles like this when you objectively look at his performance as compared to other QBs, you simply aren't rational. Of course he's a great athlete. But all you longhorns' arguments just comport with the obnoxious, irrational, pompous, we're texas CRAP that makes you so laughable and so trivial.

offshore, he is being overhyped because of his performance in the rose bowl. he was unbelievable in that game. no football fan can say he was not. when you end the season on a game like that and you are a still very young, you are going to be overhyped every single time. i don't think it is unique to him, it is just a matter of the press being bored in the off season and having nothing else to right about. he left last season with a bang, so ya, they are focusing on him.

and applewhite is still the schizzel at ut.

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Do you have this many excuses for everything in your life? I really hope not. And that's a V next to my name

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No, but I do have this thing called reason that I apply to life, something a Horn graduate can never comprehend. And I wasnt talking about you. Again, you fail, but thanks for playing.