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TexasAggie008
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Mr. Ashley Hodge within the last hour-


"this week will decide Briles' fate. His buyout is $5 million- $28 million so there will be a settlement somewhere in there. But it is not impossible that a movement to get him reinstated as coach next year has some traction. Highly unlikely in my view but the short version of what happened is that mistakes were made and terrible processes prior to 2014. The ship was righted from 2014 on. Baylor intends to make right by all the true victims of sexual assaults that happened during this time. There are some big donors very upset with how this played out.

They feel like Briles should have kept his job with much better controls in place. There is a feeling that the university failed him without clear directives on how disciplinary issues should have been handled. From 2014 forward, there was no confusion about what the proper steps should have been... Just reporting and making no judgments right now on what the right course of action should be. He has been given no opportunity to tell his side of the story."

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"you definitely bring up a valid point. I think the more likely scenario is that Briles is bought out. Seems pretty tough to reinstate him as coach next year. But this whole thing was an example of terrible decisions and management along the way. All of it could have been avoided with better decision making and clear communication to victims that they cared and strict standards set in place early with no wiggle room to deviate from those. I think that has happened since 2014 but that has not been communicated well."

Muy
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There are some big donors very upset with how this played out.

They feel like Briles should have kept his job with much better controls in place.

We're really upset about this whole rape thing, but we're more upset that our first big-time coach (who covered it up) was fired. [/baylolr]
Prosperdick
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Kinda reminds me of George getting fired for sleeping with the cleaning lady...

AgDotCom
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So it's not Briles' fault?

If Briles gets a dime I'll be surprised. Nobody....not him, not Baylor....wants to go through discovery of any kind, it will be disastrous.

Briles better just pack his ****, get out of Dodge, call it even and hope Baylor tries to settle all the victim claims on their own dime.
GAC06
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Briles needed specific instructions with "no wiggle room" to not protect rapists. Makes sense. Poor guy had no way of knowing that recruiting thugs then covering up their multiple rapes would be frowned upon.
farmersfightatm
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Unless the baylol contract with Briles was setup by a bunch of idiots (insert joke here), the buyout cost could easily be zero given what they could easily say and show he did and didn't do as coach. Lawyers would get involved, but don't they have a tenured professor they could call upon?
coolerguy12
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It's incredible the hoops they will jump through to defend their savior. Guy is a scumbag. That's all there is to it.
oh no
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Mr. Ashley Hodge within the last hour-
I thought Ashley was a Miss..
The Collective
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Can you imagine if they reinstated Briles? I am hoping for it.
Tom Doniphon
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There is a feeling that the university failed him without clear directives on how disciplinary issues should have been handled.

The sh-t head needed directions on how to deal with rapists? Seriously?
BESCo91
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Not only is Briles not gonna coach at baylor, I doubt he has another D1A head coaching job ever.
The delusion among that fanbase is quite unreal.

There is a fairly large group of them on baylorfans that believe Briles will coach at A&M, tu, Tech, or LSU as early as next season.
They honestly believe it.
The Collective
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Briles is going to need that buyout money once the lawsuits get going.
TexasAggie008
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Briles is going to need that buyout money once the lawsuits get going.
He'll actually be lucky if he isn't in prison by the time its all over....In theory, if HE knew of these occurrences but the rest of his staff did not (which, by Baylor not firing them, thats what they're saying), he is the one who is personally on the hook and liable for this entire series of events.
aggiehawg
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His buyout is $5 million- $28 million so there will be a settlement somewhere in there.
A couple of things. If Briles is fired for cause, throw that number out of the window. If PH report doesn't directly implicate Briles, but merely alludes to his incompetence in addressing these incidents, it might be questionable if there is cause. But, OTOH, the last thing Baylor should want right now is a messy lawsuit over their divorce from Briles. Some settlement number would avoid that.

The second thing that the BMDs and BOR members have to assess is how much this is all going to cost them, individually in many cases. Some of those BMDs won't be willing to write a check to pay-off Starr or Briles if they believe both were scape-goated or worse, culpable up their eyeballs. Grobe is retaining the staff so there may not be additional separation charges due for terminating those contracts. And then...there are all of the lawsuits from the Feds, and student victims, and a likely NCAA investigation.

That's a s***-ton of lawyers they'll have to pay with specialized knowledge in different fields from Title IX to NCAA issues.

Then there is the search for a new president and chancellor, AD, and head coach. How much for the search firm for those positions? And how much will they have to shell out to make those positions attractive to quality candidates?

As for the ridiculous claim that Baylor cleaned everything up and instituted better procedures, it won't fly if the PH report was still finding non-compliance and incidentally, Sam U. went to trial in 2015 and Phil Bennett was touting his anticipated availability to play that fall. His victim was run off from Baylor about the time all of these "corrective measures" were being instituted.
goodAg80
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Can you be a head coach if you are in prison?
aggiehawg
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Can you be a head coach if you are in prison?

You mean Cons versus the Guards-The Longest Yard style?



ETA: If he's sent to right prison he'll reunite with an old player or two of his.
Bonfire1996
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This is how I would handle. Would take about 45 seconds.

School: Your fired
Briles' Lawyer: Let's negotiate his buyout.
School: What buyout?
Briles' Lawyer: He has a guaranteed contract and his "for cause" clause doesn't cover any of these situations, especially since many of these situations haven't even been litigated yet. We don't yet know the veracity of many of these claims.
School: His buyout is zero. He is fired.
Briles' Lawyer: We could sue you for the amount. It is much better to just negotiate a settlement so both sides could walk away.
School: We would love for you to litigate this. We could really use the discovery process to hammer down both our liability in all future civil litigation and Art's liability in all future civil litigation. Yeah, you heard me, we will use the process to shield ourselves from liability and determine the full scope of your client's liability. Once we do that, we will have no problem turning that info over to the plaintiffs in what is sure to be numerous multimillion dollar claims.
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I'd like to know how Briles fixed it after 2014....

What processes were put in place to prevent reoccurrences? Or, was it just that no rapes were reported?

aggiehawg
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Pretty sure no one at Baylor has the balls necessary to take that harsh of an approach with St. Art.
goodAg80
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This is how I would handle. Would take about 45 seconds.

School: Your fired
Briles' Lawyer: Let's negotiate his buyout.
School: What buyout?
Briles' Lawyer: He has a guaranteed contract and his "for cause" clause doesn't cover any of these situations, especially since many of these situations haven't even been litigated yet. We don't yet know the veracity of many of these claims.
School: His buyout is zero. He is fired.
Briles' Lawyer: We could sue you for the amount. It is much better to just negotiate a settlement so both sides could walk away.
School: We would love for you to litigate this. We could really use the discovery process to hammer down both our liability in all future civil litigation and Art's liability in all future civil litigation. Yeah, you heard me, we will use the process to shield ourselves from liability and determine the full scope of your client's liability. Once we do that, we will have no problem turning that info over to the plaintiffs in what is sure to be numerous multimillion dollar claims.

This only works if Baylor doesn't have any skeletons in its closet. Otherwise Briles' camp will say bring-it on and we will see whose stack of cards is the highest.
StephenvilleAg77
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247 employs a lot of writers who can't cut it as real journalists. Most of them would be working as Starbucks baristas if 247 didn't exist.
The Collective
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247 employs a lot of writers who can't cut it as real journalists. Most of them would be working as Starbucks baristas if 247 didn't exist.


Pretty sure some are probably doing both.
80s Guy
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247 employs a lot of writers who can't cut it as real journalists. Most of them would be working as Starbucks baristas if 247 didn't exist.
Or Pluckers Inhalation Specialists...
aggiehawg
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Not only is Briles not gonna coach at baylor, I doubt he has another D1A head coaching job ever.
The delusion among that fanbase is quite unreal.

There is a fairly large group of them on baylorfans that believe Briles will coach at A&M, tu, Tech, or LSU as early as next season.
They honestly believe it.

Yeah, I've been reading baylorfans the last few days. Not only do many of them believe Briles will be hired by another D1 team, but a P5 team too.

Baylor 247 is also saying there have been 70 inquiries from coaches wanting to fill Briles spot. The names include Malzahn, Rich Rod, Todd Graham, Chad Morris, Fedora, blah, blah, blah.

There is no end to carebear delusions.
Mathguy64
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I would love for them to renounce the firing. It's never going to happen but if it did they would get nuked into non existence by anyone and everyone with a media credential. Listening to them try to justify his actions would be spectacular. They would kill it faster by trying to bring him back.
Ghost91
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This shouldn't surprise anyone.

There's a thread on BaylolFans where a guy is actually proposing that the Baylol BOR takes a SECOND vote on Briles and brings him back, a la 'Hoosiers'. He actually uses the movie as a reference/basis for this to happen. 'Bring Back Coach'.

There's another thread where a guy proposes Baylol bring Briles back for a pre-game pep talk in the locker room "before a really big game". He ends his well-reasoned proposal with "can you IMAGINE how awesome that would be??!".
dermdoc
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What pisses me off as the father of 2 daughters how lightly a lot of these Baylor fans treat rape like it is not that big a deal.
Muy
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His buyout is $5 million- $28 million so there will be a settlement somewhere in there.
A couple of things. If Briles is fired for cause, throw that number out of the window. If PH report doesn't directly implicate Briles, but merely alludes to his incompetence in addressing these incidents, it might be questionable if there is cause. But, OTOH, the last thing Baylor should want right now is a messy lawsuit over their divorce from Briles. Some settlement number would avoid that.

The second thing that the BMDs and BOR members have to assess is how much this is all going to cost them, individually in many cases. Some of those BMDs won't be willing to write a check to pay-off Starr or Briles if they believe both were scape-goated or worse, culpable up their eyeballs. Grobe is retaining the staff so there may not be additional separation charges due for terminating those contracts. And then...there are all of the lawsuits from the Feds, and student victims, and a likely NCAA investigation.

That's a s***-ton of lawyers they'll have to pay with specialized knowledge in different fields from Title IX to NCAA issues.

Then there is the search for a new president and chancellor, AD, and head coach. How much for the search firm for those positions? And how much will they have to shell out to make those positions attractive to quality candidates?

As for the ridiculous claim that Baylor cleaned everything up and instituted better procedures, it won't fly if the PH report was still finding non-compliance and incidentally, Sam U. went to trial in 2015 and Phil Bennett was touting his anticipated availability to play that fall. His victim was run off from Baylor about the time all of these "corrective measures" were being instituted.

Why do I get the sense that if aggiehawg was in business school she'd run circles around her professor like Thornton Melon...

aggiehawg
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LOL.

I'm just amazed that Baylor law has produced so many poor attorneys that they don't have staff that could advise them. Sad, actually, Baylor used to have a pretty good law school back in the day.
Muy
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What pisses me off as the father of 2 daughters how lightly a lot of these Baylor fans treat rape like it is not that big a deal.

agree, i've heard from a couple of Baylor guys who have daughters, and they are only furious w/ Baylor by how they handled firing Briles and Starr so quickly. they truly believe that Baylor has been looking out for their students all this time.
wbt5845
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These people all want Briles back - UNTIL he. McCaw and Starr all go Bear Jew on each other to deflect blame over the upcoming lawsuits.
AgGrad99
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They feel like Briles should have kept his job with much better controls in place.
He literally took actions to make sure the school didnt find out.

How, exactly, do university controls come in to play, when he was circumventing them and helping his players get away with sexual assault?
aggiehawg
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agree, i've heard from a couple of Baylor guys who have daughters, and they are only furious w/ Baylor by how they handled firing Briles and Starr so quickly. they truly believe that Baylor has been looking out for their students all this time.
Quickly? It's been nearly a year since the Sam U. SHTF. First, Starr named some law prof on the payroll to do an "investigation", was bean-poled over that and went to the BOR to get authorization to bring in Pepper, Hamilton last fall. Pepper, Hamilton is the specialty firm who handles these defenses (including the 27 month old DOJ Title IX investigation at Michigan for sexual assault response) and they are pricey.

Ask your Baylor guys if they really thought this was just going to go away?
dermdoc
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Actually, sadly they did. Thus my point about the essentially blowing off of the seriousness of rape. It is disgusting.
TexasAggie008
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Now they're clinging to the idea that "everything was resolved in 2014, all of the incidents were before then"

Oh, ok, so 5 of Briles' 7 years were riddled with rape incidents, but in the last two there haven't been any? thats MUCH better
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