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prowings: Am I smarter then most of the people at ut because I did better then that school's average?

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I guess you were smarter on the math section than on the verbal?

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If I knew how to make quotes and embolden words of my choice, I would be able to lay down a serious slab of counter smack

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I scored over 1400 on the GMAT after college

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sotexas,
the GMAT is on a 200-800 scale. Did you mean GRE?

I do agree with your point. It pains me to think about someone out there taking thousand dollar prep courses and taking the GMAT 8 times and beating my score. It really isn't fair, I think you ought to list if you have taken any prep courses/classes, etc.

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(I scored over 1400 on the GMAT after college.)

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The GMAT is only scored up to 800, genius.

I scored 1850 on the SAT...51 on the ACT

Hey loudestwhoop, speaking of gays are you a member of this aggy organization? There are obviously no gays at aggyland, right? Maybe, by your reasoning these are the students that scored higher on the SAT than the average aggy.

http://glbta.tamu.edu/

Ah, if all else fails and you look like an idiot, return to the gay smack. You're a desperate man here, but semi-decent effort in a winless situation.

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...but you guys that think these top 25% kids from "top" high schools can smoke some kid that was #5 in his class and didn't have the opportunity to take calc, physics, etc. are wrong.

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From the people I met during my 5 years on the campus at UT, I would say that yes the kids in the top 25% at very limited number of schools in Texas (Bellaire, Memorial (Houston), Westlake, Plano, etc...) are much better prepared for college than students at other schools. Why is this the case? I would tend to believe that all of the schools have one thing in common, they are extremely large and have a student body that come from affluent families with money. This is not to say there are not very talented applicants at these other schools there are but the same problem comes from allowing all in just cause they are top 10% as did from affirmative action. You are going to allow entrance to students who are being set up for failure.

Without 10% rule or affirmative action you will get the best possible students from all schools, and you will still get some duds, but hopefully the numbers will be limited.

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What I mean by "poor schools" are those that receive less money from property taxes because they are located in less wealthy areas.

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Apparently you have never heard of the Robin Hood school finance system that has been used in Texas for years. The plan is named Robin Hood because it "steals from the rich and gives to the poor." That means that property tax rich districts, such as Klein I.S.D., Woodlands I.S.D., Katy I.S.D., end up giving millions to districts like Houston I.S.D., such that there is not much of a discrepancy in per pupil spending between the poor and "rich" districts that you talk about. So you logic used in the above quote dosen't quite work.

I personally am glad that they have/are currently trying to reform the Robin Hood plan because I think it's horrible, and that this plan is making private schools more attractive to some parents because of the degratory affects it is having on certain public schools that used to provide a quality education.

I think that the top 10% rule is bunk. Many of the kids in the top 50% at Bellaire, Lamar, Strake Jesuit, St. Thomas, or Episcopal High School, would be in the top 1 or 2% if they had gone to Yates, Eisenhower, or most other HISD schools. Strake Jesuit's tuition is slightly higher than the per pupil spending average for the state of Texas, but it seems they are doing more with only barely more money. Maybe the HISD needs to look at reforming itself before we pump millions more into it.


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Nope, sorry not a member!
Why are thinking about joining or what?
That's a long way to drive for a meeting from Austin, isn't it?

i hate you stevee.

actually, I have heard of the Robin Hood system that we currently have in Texas. I also know that it only shrinks the gap slightly between rich and poor schools, because schools in wealthy districts recieve more money from bonds approved by the residents in said district, and the property tax money is not evenly distributed anyway. Personaly, I think that whatever money a district generates should be allowed to stay in that district.

ttechguy: I got a 710 in verbal, you still beat me with your score tho. Therefore, you are TEH smartest.

s2kaggie04: you are supposed to be on my side. Where is the love? Stay away from my mom's cookies too you dont deserve them anymore!

i hate you stevee.






but i like your mom's cookies...

Robin Hood also doesn't affect the funds given to schools by the PTO and Booster organizations. I know at my High School the booster club bought all of the uniforms so that the school didn't have to pay for those out of their allotment from the State. Also, the PTO would hold fundraisers for capital projects and other activities. The wealthier the people who go to the school the more they can raise and the easier it is to raise it.

Would it be better for a Texas kid, who can't get into A&M or UT because of the 10% crap, to go to U of Arkansas or OU rather than go to Tech?
In all seriousness TT is a fine school. But unfortunately it has a reputation of being a lower tiered school compared to A&m and UT. If a Tx. kid went to OU or Ark. at least he would be in the flagship school for that state.

I have a niece who's getting ready to take the SAT. Didn't I hear somewhere that they have changed the scoring, and that a score in 1990 is analogous to a higher score under today's scoring method?

Just curious. I need to know so I maximize the smack I throw down on her when she gets her score back.

BTW, forget all the prep courses. Stay out 'til 3 drinking like a fish. Trying to finish up before you puke prevents the dangers of second-guessing yourself.

I wailed on the GMAT and SAT using that method. HBU at 8am on a Saturday morning after multiple Everclear margs at Club No Minors...good times, good times.

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Actually the GRE is a 2400 point scale, but schools usually only look at 1600 of that.

Gator...i scored a 710...i double it to put it on the same scale of the SAT for comparison purposes. Cajun...nice try.

UT99...it's not about being more prepared. i knew a bunch of kids that came in over-prepared and screwed off because of it. i had to take college algebra while many of my friends placed out of freshman physics and calc. so, i graduated with an engineering degree in 4 1/2 years vs. their 4 years. it's not about being prepared...it's about being successful once you get there.

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BTW, forget all the prep courses. Stay out 'til 3 drinking like a fish. Trying to finish up before you puke prevents the dangers of second-guessing yourself.

I wailed on the GMAT and SAT using that method.

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Me too, it works.

They stamped the Bible didn't they? Damn Gideons.

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Many of the kids in the top 50% at Bellaire, Lamar, Strake Jesuit, St. Thomas, or Episcopal High School, would be in the top 1 or 2% if they had gone to Yates, Eisenhower, or most other HISD schools. Strake Jesuit's tuition is slightly higher than the per pupil spending average for the state of Texas, but it seems they are doing more with only barely more money. Maybe the HISD needs to look at reforming itself before we pump millions more into it.

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I actually have experienced both public (for 11 years) and private (for 2 years) schools in Houston (actually both schools I attended are in your list), and there is no comparison.

Private school kids are not smarter, nor do they work harder (actually I thought they didn't work as hard) they just have better opportunities, teachers, facilities, etc. I can tell you that the public HS I went to, Lamar, is probably the second best in HISD behind Bellaire, and it doesn't even come close to what a private school can offer. Now imagine the difference between a good public school and a terrible one.

The problem with the poor schools is not a lack of money but more a lack of efficiency. The teachers don't like being there, and those kids suffer as a result. That's why I've been in favor of some form of privatization.

So as far as saying "the top 50% at a good school would be top 1% or 2% bad school," I have to disagree. If you put them in an equal setting (like A&M), then yes, I think a student from a good school would do better based on the advantages they have with a better education. But if you put students from a good school into a bad environment, then they would suck it up like the students who are already there.