Stargate Stocks

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aggies4life
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With the 500 billion announcement - which stocks will benefit?

$MSFT $NVDA $ORCL $ARM

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TSSI, MU, ANET
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2wealfth Man said:

TSSI, MU, ANET
Do you work for TSSI? You've mentioned them on a bunch of different threads but haven't given much of a thesis. Just wondering what has you so convinced?
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Heineken-Ashi said:

2wealfth Man said:

TSSI, MU, ANET
Do you work for TSSI? You've mentioned them on a bunch of different threads but haven't given much of a thesis. Just wondering what has you so convinced?
why are you policing me? You are free to do your own research and come up with different ideas. If you just google the name and understand the dynamics of what is happening in the AI ecosystem it is pretty clear they are on an upward trajectory. BTW, no connection other than an equity position
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Oracle is up $18 just today.
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VST, CEG, NRG

"In a gold rush, sell shovels…"
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2wealfth Man said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

2wealfth Man said:

TSSI, MU, ANET
Do you work for TSSI? You've mentioned them on a bunch of different threads but haven't given much of a thesis. Just wondering what has you so convinced?
why are you policing me? You are free to do your own research and come up with different ideas. If you just google the name and understand the dynamics of what is happening in the AI ecosystem it is pretty clear they are on an upward trajectory. BTW, no connection other than an equity position
Whoa. Wasn't policing you at all. Like I said, you've mentioned it on a bunch of threads recently and seem very confident. Merely asking for your thesis. Was actually hoping you DID work for them. I have googled them, and can definitely see the bull case. Merely trying to figure out what makes you so confident. That's all.
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The new venture is formed between OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank. I cannot find a stock ticker for Stargate. Is there such a thing? Will there be such a thing?

I have googled and found nothing about a ticker or how to invest directly into Stargate.
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This isn't premium or F16. Don't assume ill intent when someone asks a question. All trying to learn
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FishrCoAg said:

This isn't premium or F16. Don't assume ill intent when someone asks a question. All trying to learn
all good
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Let's go buy some hunting ranches in Eastland County
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There is no stock for Stargate.
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NomadicAggie said:

VST, CEG, NRG

"In a gold rush, sell shovels…"

Love this
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infinity ag said:

NomadicAggie said:

VST, CEG, NRG

"In a gold rush, sell shovels…"

Love this
this is why I increased my positions in Constellation and NRG months before the election
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TSSI having a day.
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I bought OKLO at $23.50 a week ago.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

TSSI having a day.
we are pushing closer and closer toward my estimate of Q4-2025 fair value here... things are bit over cooked today; but hey, take what the man gives you. I am riding this one out for a while once I get my initial stake (and a little extra for interest) off the table.
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2wealfth Man said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

TSSI having a day.
we are pushing closer and closer toward my estimate of Q4-2025 fair value here... things are bit over cooked today; but hey, take what the man gives you. I am riding this one out for a while once I get my initial stake (and a little extra for interest) off the table.
On a technical level, I'm a little worried about the $19-$20 area being a top. Not that the company is necessarily topping, but that the market in general might and that's the most logical level for now that I can find extreme resistance.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

2wealfth Man said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

TSSI having a day.
we are pushing closer and closer toward my estimate of Q4-2025 fair value here... things are bit over cooked today; but hey, take what the man gives you. I am riding this one out for a while once I get my initial stake (and a little extra for interest) off the table.
On a technical level, I'm a little worried about the $19-$20 area being a top. Not that the company is necessarily topping, but that the market in general might and that's the most logical level for now that I can find extreme resistance.
I am hoping they finally give some guidance here in the March earnings call. That would be the next (predictable) catalyst. It is going to bounce around in this 11, 12, low-teens range until then. Looking farther out, there is a Russell 2000 reconstitution every year at the end of June IIRC. If they cap market their way into that, well, you are talking millions of shares that the indices would have to buy. But, baby steps for now.
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TSSI - big run up today
Q4 will not be good. We're not fully utilized and began work on xAI (Musk) in late December phase 2. They split phase 1 with SMCI. Word is the have about 90% in phase 2.

They upsized their building to double the size but much more power allowing them to eventually increase roughly 5x. Took loan out for leasehold improvement of $20B.

Also filed shelf and market didn't like. Don't think they use it though except for acquisition.

Have 5 yr deal with Dell that includes minimum guarantees so that rent and payroll are covered if there are down times. This was agreed upon since TSSI was taking on higher rent and employee count.

Due note Dell accounts for 99% of their business.

The rumor over last 10 days is that Dell is basically sold out for 2025. Also huge data center approved for Bastrop County in Dells/TSSI backyard and many believe they have the deal. AI Data center Just exploding now.

TSSI was up 15% today during regular trading on 3x volume.

I had 21,000 shares at 3.50. Trimmed as it escalate and sit on 14,000 now. Realized + unrealized I am up $200k in 6 months. A multi bagger. I have FV in $20's but still have to earn that.

Expenses going up and have not disclosed that. If they can get 3rd party direct business it should go higher. Need to see them closer .25+ eps in qtr to get run rate over $1.00 though to justify my target. Q4 isn't it. My hope is mgmt does not remain conservative when discussing publicly.

Is quite volatile. Will get into the Russell this year.

So that is some highlight for ya. Not saying it gets to the $20's but business looks like it is there to propel it and seems this is now a Trump trade to boot that may bring a bit too much exuberance and rise too fast based on actual performance. Is why guide is so important on this one.
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another TSSI run this morning, getting close to closing some option positions
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I actually think this is a topping pattern. Not to mention, their new debt is floating rate. Could be awful if rates don't go down.

But just like POWL, if you got in low, what a freaking run.
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NomadicAggie said:

VST, CEG, NRG

"In a gold rush, sell shovels…"
What about NiSource Inc. (NI)

Don't forget GE Vernova Inc. (GEV)


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NM
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Heineken-Ashi said:

I actually think this is a topping pattern. Not to mention, their new debt is floating rate. Could be awful if rates don't go down.

But just like POWL, if you got in low, what a freaking run.
Hate to say, but I initiated some $15 puts on TSSI last Friday and made some good profit on them this week. Not sure whether it has one more trip into the $20's or falls further.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

I actually think this is a topping pattern. Not to mention, their new debt is floating rate. Could be awful if rates don't go down.

But just like POWL, if you got in low, what a freaking run.
It is ahead of itself on historical results (really Q3) which gives it a .40 run rate. So 20-25x is $8-$10.

But we know in Q3 the facility was not optimized. Q4 will be worse than Q3 as xAI phase 2 started late in the quarter.

But what is interesting and hard to properly value. They moved on purpose to a new facility that is 2x the old one and were not at capacity yet. Mgmt noted they can do 5x what the previously did as they do buildout primarily for power.

Dell is sold out for 2025, at least that is the rumor. That flows to TSSI, which means better optimization of facility. So hard to tell what the revs will be in Data Integration and Facility Mgmt. Don't look at total revs and Procurement ($50M in Q3) is basically an extremely low margin business of in and out. Margin is really about 4% and then they factor those receivables too. Makes cash look larger than it is as they receive the cash from factoring but dont make payments for 30 days. So truly have to look at payables/receivables too.

Debt, is up to $20M and a little over 7% and yes variable as you noted. This is a new expense. So is higher rent (guessing) for double the the size, and could be quite large amortization of leasehold improvement. Mgmt previously said $25M to $30M. If lease term is 5 yrs that could be $6M nut right there. If 10 then is a bit more modest.

So is extremely difficult to model at the moment. I asked mgmt about lease etc and they just said that isnt public. Well why the hell not, it should be. But whatever. I think they get to a run rate of $1.00 in Q2 or Q3 (ie earn .25/qtr). They are turning some business away and focused on larger customers. I expect robust business over next 2 years, and certainly could be longer. But what about in 5 years, etc. No one knows how this shakes out so a 25x multiple could be too high, but I think momo at times will push it that high. So I still have low $20's FV until more info is available to model. But my model is fuzzy till more more concreteness is achieved. Hopefully that occurs in the next earnings call as they talk 2025. From what I have seen, mgmt plays it a bit close to the vest and thus I probably dont get as much visibility as I like, but I do expect a whole lot of positive vibes emanating from the call and given low float this could really push higher (as long as investors ignore the Q4 numbers as I said I expect to be lower than Q3).
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Frisco86 said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

I actually think this is a topping pattern. Not to mention, their new debt is floating rate. Could be awful if rates don't go down.

But just like POWL, if you got in low, what a freaking run.
It is ahead of itself on historical results (really Q3) which gives it a .40 run rate. So 20-25x is $8-$10.

But we know in Q3 the facility was not optimized. Q4 will be worse than Q3 as xAI phase 2 started late in the quarter.

But what is interesting and hard to properly value. They moved on purpose to a new facility that is 2x the old one and were not at capacity yet. Mgmt noted they can do 5x what the previously did as they do buildout primarily for power.

Dell is sold out for 2025, at least that is the rumor. That flows to TSSI, which means better optimization of facility. So hard to tell what the revs will be in Data Integration and Facility Mgmt. Don't look at total revs and Procurement ($50M in Q3) is basically an extremely low margin business of in and out. Margin is really about 4% and then they factor those receivables too. Makes cash look larger than it is as they receive the cash from factoring but dont make payments for 30 days. So truly have to look at payables/receivables too.

Debt, is up to $20M and a little over 7% and yes variable as you noted. This is a new expense. So is higher rent (guessing) for double the the size, and could be quite large amortization of leasehold improvement. Mgmt previously said $25M to $30M. If lease term is 5 yrs that could be $6M nut right there. If 10 then is a bit more modest.

So is extremely difficult to model at the moment. I asked mgmt about lease etc and they just said that isnt public. Well why the hell not, it should be. But whatever. I think they get to a run rate of $1.00 in Q2 or Q3 (ie earn .25/qtr). They are turning some business away and focused on larger customers. I expect robust business over next 2 years, and certainly could be longer. But what about in 5 years, etc. No one knows how this shakes out so a 25x multiple could be too high, but I think momo at times will push it that high. So I still have low $20's FV until more info is available to model. But my model is fuzzy till more more concreteness is achieved. Hopefully that occurs in the next earnings call as they talk 2025. From what I have seen, mgmt plays it a bit close to the vest and thus I probably dont get as much visibility as I like, but I do expect a whole lot of positive vibes emanating from the call and given low float this could really push higher (as long as investors ignore the Q4 numbers as I said I expect to be lower than Q3).
Thanks for the detailed post. I went net free on my $15 puts, holding half the contracts still. Friday morning, I bought $10 March puts, aiming for 2x-5x looking for bottom between $6.75 and $8.50. It's a pure technical setup. Upon that bottom, or it failing to even get that low, I will likely buy shares with a stop below for hopefully a trip to new highs.
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I sold a bit of TSSI Friday before last (pre-Deep Seek). Then turned around and bought it again on Deep Seek Monday. Netted about 22% more shares on that deal.
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