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Trump confirms plan for $15T bitcoin strategic reserve

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This implies a bitcoin price of at least $750k.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/12/14/trump-confirms-bitcoin-reserve-plans-15-trillion-price-boom-predicted/
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Is the article reiterating what he said a couple days ago and months ago at the bitcoin conference? Or something else he said more recently?
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Because the government never loses money

I bleed maroon
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Buying down the national debt would be a far better economic use of American's money. Oh, but that would be a fiscally prudent use of the money. Wait, what money? Where are the excess taxpayer funds laying around that are looking for an alternative use?

In other words, this is a foolish pipe dream. IMHO.
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It's like Buffett has said several times. Bitcoin is rat poison and is going to "end badly".
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Bonfire97 said:

It's like Buffett has said several times. Bitcoin is rat poison and is going to "end badly".
It will for those who don't own it.
TxAG#2011
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Bonfire97 said:

It's like Buffett has said several times. Bitcoin is rat poison and is going to "end badly".


Bitcoins marketcap is already double BRK.

So yea, he was wrong. Too bad for all those people that listened to him.
ac04
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bitcoin isn't going away. please for your own sake accept this fact.
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Bad Trump. Ponzi scheme.
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Wish I had been DCAing BTC for past year. I stopped last year because we were reallocating our investment and spend.
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Between all the "pros" saying it's going to 150K to 250K in 2025, Trumps continued support and the general meme stock revolution era we live in....

Hard to imagine we don't see bitcoin hit those predictions.



If it hits around 3X my current average cost(about 195K), I'm selling 1/3rd and just keep.the rest net free
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Selling it for fiat?
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Monywolf said:

Selling it for fiat?
Agreed. The only way I could convince myself to do this is if you immediately used the proceeds for your sell and put it into a hard asset investment like real estate. Thoughts?
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It's already in the hardest asset. And there are no annual taxes, fees or maintenance costs.
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Monywolf said:

It's already in the hardest asset. And there are no annual taxes, fees or maintenance costs.
If the government buys it, there will be the interest cost since the only likely source of incremental funds in additional debt being raised. Oh yes, let's buy a large amount assets on 100% margin. What could possibly go wrong?

The only other option is to print money which leads to inflation. That much printing would likely be hyperinflation.
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There is a distinction between and individual buying vs the government, yes?
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Monywolf said:

There is a distinction between and individual buying vs the government, yes?
Yes - some individuals have investable funds available for buying something like bitcoin, while the government does not (nor should it).

The bitcoin fanboys can relax - no one's maligning your precious crypto, here (I hold 4-5 crypto-related investments myself). There is a time and place for it, but the US government establishing a buy-and-hold or trading position in it is not one of them.

Other than the speculative nature of this proposition (which IMHO the government has no business doing), something like this approach does not serve a multiplicative economic purpose, such as investments in infrastructure or applied research. For each dollar spent in these other areas, the economy is boosted several times more by the economic activity that results. Putting crypto (or gold or plutonium, etc.) in a vault is the opposite of multiplicative, and is not in the best interest of our economy or society.

Pay down the debt, and put money to work!
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Well, if he's thinking about this long-term he might be thinking about it as one does gold or the SOR. The government owns a **** ton of gold and does nothing but sit on it just in case. Many other governments have been buying up gold as well.

If you think a hard, digital currency is the future and that future is the best, most well known and thought out one (BTC) that could be the play here.
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YouBet said:

Well, if he's thinking about this long-term he might be thinking about it as one does gold or the SOR. The government owns a **** ton of gold and does nothing but sit on it just in case. Many other governments have been buying up gold as well.

If you think a hard, digital currency is the future and that future is the best, most well known and thought out one (BTC) that could be the play here.
If your point is to reallocate the gold reserve (say, sell half and reinvest half of it in bitcoin, for example), I have less of an issue with it. May be a relatively good diversification play. However, I still strongly believe that either option is suboptimal compared to deploying the capital in a more productive way than sitting in a vault (literal, or virtual). (Of course, this assumes the politicians don't waste it on some pork-barrel pet projects, which is the main drawback to my proposal).

Even Jesus Christ agrees with my philosophy - re-read Matthew 25: 14-30 to get guidance from the Parable of the Talents!
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I bleed maroon said:

YouBet said:

Well, if he's thinking about this long-term he might be thinking about it as one does gold or the SOR. The government owns a **** ton of gold and does nothing but sit on it just in case. Many other governments have been buying up gold as well.

If you think a hard, digital currency is the future and that future is the best, most well known and thought out one (BTC) that could be the play here.
If your point is to reallocate the gold reserve (say, sell half and reinvest half of it in bitcoin, for example), I have less of an issue with it. May be a relatively good diversification play. However, I still strongly believe that either option is suboptimal compared to deploying the capital in a more productive way than sitting in a vault (literal, or virtual). (Of course, this assumes the politicians don't waste it on some pork-barrel pet projects, which is the main drawback to my proposal).

Even Jesus Christ agrees with my philosophy - re-read Matthew 25: 14-30 to get guidance from the Parable of the Talents!


Yeah, I'm not really disagreeing with you here. But, to your point, politicians will literally waste all of that capital. Look at the unprecedented spend that was approved for capital projects under the current administration and we almost literally have nothing to show for it.

Thus, I think putting money into gold or BTC is actually the smarter play. Our government is incompetent and can't be trusted to manage any money whatsoever. This would at least give us a strategic reserve until such time that we want to waste all of that money later on fake projects.
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Thanks fiatboy. The first country to print fiat to buy Bitcoin wins.
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Bonfire97 said:

It's like Buffett has said several times. Bitcoin is rat poison and is going to "end badly".
At this point that's like saying "the automobile will never catch on."
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Do we know the context of Buffett's comment? Was it strictly in reference to BTC? Was it in reference to all crypto? Was it in reference to the concept of digital currency?

These are three distinct things.
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I learned to do the opposite of the masses, especially in crypto. That's where the biggest gains are made because i get in early and wait.

For anyone wanting to do a modicum of research on what I believe in and where have positions - with current prices.
BTC ($103k), Cardano($1.09), Iagon($0.32), Nuvola($1.40), Algorand($0.42) WMTx($0.54) Gero($0.0044), Charli3($0.07) OrcFax($0.009), Harmony One($0.03)


https://www.crypto-news-flash.com/crypto-tax-breaks-eric-trump-confirms-xrp-ada-algo-and-hbar-will-be-exempt/


7:45-8:50 mark

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This would be a disaster economically. We go more into debt to buy BTC driving up the price of BTC and deflating the dollar. Most of lower and middle class don't own BTC and are crushed by inflation. Not to mention, the US government then owns $15T of an asset that hasn't exactly been a model of stability. Bringing back the gold standard (which I'm not in favor of), makes more sense.
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themissinglink said:

This would be a disaster economically. We go more into debt to buy BTC driving up the price of BTC and deflating the dollar. Most of lower and middle class don't own BTC and are crushed by inflation. Not to mention, the US government then owns $15T of an asset that hasn't exactly been a model of stability. Bringing back the gold standard (which I'm not in favor of), makes more sense.


Is it really any worse than passing legislation called the "Inflation Reduction Act" that does no such thing and actually does the opposite and adds to the debt?
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If we're going to do it, I hope we don't start until price is back at $50k or less after this current run tops.
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Monywolf said:

There is a distinction between and individual buying vs the government, yes?

Absolutely. If an individual does it, they are risking their own money. If the government does it, it can lead to massive inflation in this case since they will have to print money or further squeeze out private sector debt (ie slower economic growth) and bigger budget deficits.

I have no problem with Bitcoin but it is not a government function to hold speculative assets.
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Luke Gromen argues beginning at ~1:55 that the bitcoin strategic reserve is being driven by the national security apparatus to address negative consequences of the 50-year fiat experiment. He says these include political instability due to increasing wealth inequality and an inability to manufacture war materiel due to excessive offshoring of manufacturing capacity. Interesting.

Monywolf
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You don't think monetary inflation has been a problem? Why do you think bitcoin is even a thing?

I would prefer my government buy and hold the hardest asset known to man.
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How would this not be a gift of an exit strategy given to all the criminals holding their illicitly gained bitcoin?

Right now they can slowly bleed out their holdings with small sales. If they dump too much, the price might crater. But a whale of a buyer like the US govt to come along trying to build a reserve would be able to absorb massive amounts of sales.

This would be a horrible idea if the US actually purchased bitcoin to go into such a reserve.
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chris1515 said:

How would this not be a gift of an exit strategy given to all the criminals holding their illicitly gained bitcoin?

Right now they can slowly bleed out their holdings with small sales. If they dump too much, the price might crater. But a whale of a buyer like the US govt to come along trying to build a reserve would be able to absorb massive amounts of sales.

This would be a horrible idea if the US actually purchased bitcoin to go into such a reserve.


Bitcoin does over 10 figures worth of volume daily I don't think those criminals are gonna make much of a dent lol
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every G7 country will have a bitcoin reserve. the first ones to do it will capture the most upside.

RE: returning to gold standard, bitcoin will reach market cap parity with gold in the next 10 years ($850k BTC at today's prices). and its better than gold as a monetary asset so it will keep going past that.
Monywolf
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Slowly at first. Then suddenly, all at once.

The risk is not owning Bitcoin.
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