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Investment opportunity introduction fee?

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The Lost Hondo
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A good friend introduced me to a recurring investment opportunity and I am looking for advice and ideas on compensation approaches for the introduction.

Here are some details of the opportunity:

  • I provide 100% funding for each project
  • Expected return per project = 20-22%
  • I have been given the opportunity to fund 4+ projects per year
  • The opportunity is expected to last a few years
  • I wouldn't have the opportunity without his introduction and personal reference

How should I compensate him for the opportunity? Thanks, I am interested in to hear your ideas.


Yukon Cornelius
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Is he a promoter for the deal or a GP? If so he's already being compensated from your money.
Yukon Cornelius
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Also what's the deal?
The Lost Hondo
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No, he's not a promoter and is not otherwise compensated. The company is not seeking investors. My buddy got me a meeting with the right person at the right time.
Yukon Cornelius
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Is your buddy invested too? Is it a limited partnership you're investing in?
Yukon Cornelius
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In regards to your actual question if he's not being compensated elsewhere I would say zero until you have actually made your principle back plus profit after taxes.

Reason being you are taking ALL of the risk. Not your friend. It's your money on the line. Not his.

If it actually pays out like I described above I'm sure you can figure something appropriate.
Yukon Cornelius
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If this is your first time doing an investment like this I would HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend you consult with others familiar with investing in such things.
DriftwoodAg
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I would start with a bottle of scotch
The Lost Hondo
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Thanks Yukon. Makes sense to compensate him from profits. I am trying to determine: what is an appropriate share of profits? And should his share stay the same for future projects -- or do I cap his compensation to a set number of projects?

He is not invested, but would like to. He doesn't have the money to risk -- he brought this opportunity to me with the idea of a "partnership" where he would receive the profits from every third or fourth project. I am trying to decide if that is fair trade. I am carrying all the risk but I there is no opportunity without his introduction. How much is his introduction worth? And for how many future projects?

Heineken-Ashi
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20-22% of your investment? 20-22% IRR?

Just not enough information to advise anything here..
"H-A: In return for the flattery, can you reduce the size of your signature? It's the only part of your posts that don't add value. In its' place, just put "I'm an investing savant, and make no apologies for it", as oldarmy1 would do."
- I Bleed Maroon (distracted easily by signatures)
redaszag99
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I wouldn't do more than 10% of your net
The Lost Hondo
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My before-tax profit estimate for each project is ~22% of the investment for the project.
I bleed maroon
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Heineken-Ashi said:

20-22% of your investment? 20-22% IRR?

Just not enough information to advise anything here..
I agree with Heinie on this one. We just don't know enough to give real advice. This sounds a little murky to me on the face of it, but I have been watching "The Gentlemen" on Netflix the past week or so, so I'd tend to be more skittish.

A thought:

At most, I'd consider a finders fee. And the way I'd structure it is something like this: Give the referrer a one-time fee of, say, 10%(?) of the first year's actual pretax profitability, after you have earned it. If it makes no money in year one, you can consider saying the finder's fee would apply to the first year that you actually turn a profit. Then, you're off the hook in terms of owing any favors or anything like that.
Yukon Cornelius
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It's hard to say really. But I'm inclined to say zero unless you want to do a finders fee of 1% on net Return.

Ultimately there's plenty of opportunities out there having the "in" isn't the end all be all.

What's does he comp you if you lose all your money? Maybe it should be the same number.
Yukon Cornelius
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One method albeit maybe a little complicated could be to create a limited partnership as your investment vehicle with him in it.
birdman
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Walk away
The Lost Hondo
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Good feedback, this helps. Thanks for the responses.
Proposition Joe
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Not something worth worrying about until the deal(s) are profitable.

If they aren't, no compensation is needed - just don't hold it against him.

If they are, then you can consider what it was worth to you. If it's likely a one-off profit, I'd give a percentage (how much that is, is up to you - I've compensated as high as 50% for opportunities that otherwise I would not have known about or had access to). If it's something that will continue to be profitable for many years like it sounds, I'd give a one-off finders fee.
trip98
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what does your friend give you if you lose money?

what does he give you if you only make 2%? 5%? 10%

To keep the friendship in good standing I'd buy him a nice little gesture right now (i.e. bottle of hooch or gift card to nice restaurant). Then evaluate once you get some profits rolling in.

why get roped into something now?

if he's a true friend he realizes you are taking on way more risk than he is....he has none!!
Agilaw
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I wouldn't worry too much right now about how to compensate my friend. I would be more concerned about the deal. You are funding 100% of each opportunity - that's an initial red flag. Who are the other partners you will be working with on the deals and have you checked them out? What security do you have in each opportunity/project? Are you in a position to properly paper the deals? What happens when something goes south with an opportunity/project? What happens if the non-monetary partners die, walk away from the opportunity/project, etc.?If you are expected to get a 20%+ return, what are the other partner(s) expecting? I think you need to do a lot of due diligence on the front end. If it is all properly structured and the deals turn out like you expected them to, then I would think about getting something to my friend.
one safe place
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So you have been given the "opportunity" to fund 100% in some projects that someone has determined should provide you 20-22% returns (not clear who came up with that) with people you don't know, in a company that is not seeking investors but has agreed to take your money, all by someone who doesn't have the money to invest himself?
Aggie369
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I'd need way more details

Sounds crazy to me
texAZtea
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What a coincidence, I am also not looking for investors but would be open to someone funding 100% of my next project. I won't tell you what it is upfront and I can't offer you any security if it bombs. You could certainly hope for 22% ROI and pay me a finders fee once that plays out.

If anyone is interested, DM me.
one MEEN Ag
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Couple big questions to ask yourself on every deal:
-How is the guy across the table from you getting paid? The angrier that question makes them, the more likely you're getting scammed.
-Why are they reaching out to you? Someone who has never done limited partner deals. What do you offer they can't get better/faster with a bank or private equity group? Its usually one or two things: You're the sucker and the bigger institutions will see them coming a mile away, or they are too small/risky/bad books for a bank or PE group to lend them money.
-Ask them what other deals they have done and their results.
-Why do they not want any skin in the game here?

This sounds like a real estate deal, tangential to real estate like construction services, or selling some oil and gas minerals per production zone. Run. This will be some boondoggle where they take your money, hand it over to a construction company they manage, go over budget, fold, and you'll never see it again. Or if its OG minerals, their latest well did 22% IRR, and they're certain they're gonna hit that again on the next hole (they wont).

The S&P is stupid hot absorbing inflationary dollars right now. They're offering near S&P500 ETF IRRs for orders of magnitude increase in risk. And what shocks can they absorb that the broader market cant?

Tex117
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This sounds like a shady real estate deal that is going to go bust in about 3-4 years. Probably less.

OP, I don't know how much money you have. If you don't mind burning it. Fine. But if this is serious money and a big chuck of your assets, I'd run as fast and as far away as I could.

Edit: One Meen Ag beat me to it.
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