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The Fed is "data dependent"

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TTUArmy
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Just sat down to listen to this butt clown and I hear him say that their decisions on monetary policy are "data dependent". Holy crow...I nearly spit my scotch out.

The data from the BLS has been, and continues to be, a blazing dumpster fire. Considering the Fed's dual mandate of stable prices and low unemployment, I've gotta give these jokers a big fat F for missing half of their mandate. The BLS should be put out to pasture. They suck at their job. October rate cut is going to be 50 bps+, probably much more. Markets are going to roar and inflation is going to soar.
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Never mind our Commerce Secretary has never heard of the BLS, apparently.
Gordo14
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TTUArmy said:

Just sat down to listen to this butt clown and I hear him say that their decisions on monetary policy are "data dependent". Holy crow...I nearly spit my scotch out.

The data from the BLS has been, and continues to be, a blazing dumpster fire. Considering the Fed's dual mandate of stable prices and low unemployment, I've gotta give these jokers a big fat F for missing half of their mandate. The BLS should be put out to pasture. They suck at their job. October rate cut is going to be 50 bps+, probably much more. Markets are going to roar and inflation is going to soar.


How is it a blazing dumpster fire? M/m we've had less than 2% inflation (annualized) for the past 4 months. 2% is the target. How is going from super restrictive policy to restrictive policy going to result in rampant inflation.
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Gordo14 said:

TTUArmy said:

Just sat down to listen to this butt clown and I hear him say that their decisions on monetary policy are "data dependent". Holy crow...I nearly spit my scotch out.

The data from the BLS has been, and continues to be, a blazing dumpster fire. Considering the Fed's dual mandate of stable prices and low unemployment, I've gotta give these jokers a big fat F for missing half of their mandate. The BLS should be put out to pasture. They suck at their job. October rate cut is going to be 50 bps+, probably much more. Markets are going to roar and inflation is going to soar.


How is it a blazing dumpster fire? M/m we've had less than 2% inflation (annualized) for the past 4 months. 2% is the target. How is going from super restrictive policy to restrictive policy going to result in rampant inflation.


But have we? That's part of the problem. We can no longer trust government data because it's been manipulated and definitions changed to the point of obfuscation. Our commerce secretary literally said this week she had not heard of BLS and didn't trust the numbers because they weren't in her favor.

Use inflation definitions from the past before they were manipulated and you will see a different outcome. Also, all that cost increase from real inflation over the past several years stacks. Just because our current rate month to month rate is coming back down doesn't mean costs have reverted to levels before all this started happening. There might be examples of it for certain small ticket items but big ticket items and services have not decreased.
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Any Dem celebrating four months of 2% inflation is showing their ass. Yes I will give you credit for that, right when you take ownership for the years of crushing price increases.
Mostly Foggy Recollection
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Social media ruined critical thinking and particularly how to view normalcy regarding fiscal issues…. Remember Twitter and the like came of age during Obama's first term and we have had absolute **** fiscal policy since then but the echo chambers (particularly leftist ones) have normalized it.

If you showed an adult, of any political hue, in the 1990s or early 2000s, the last 4 years of spending, inflation and budgets, they would have revolted and sent that administration packing. There is nothing good about the current state of our "Fed mandate tools"

We are a country that is ****ed and is going to feel a lot of pain later this decade.
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Decay said:

Any Dem celebrating four months of 2% inflation is showing their ass. Yes I will give you credit for that, right when you take ownership for the years of crushing price increases.


2% across a year isn't really that noticeable, given all the noise in prices. At marginally higher rates people really start to feel the pain and become aware.

In reality, most contributing citizens become more productive every year by at least a couple percent so prices should fall at that rate (and did before the Fed). So the Fed is actually robbing people of around 4% per year, when achieving their 2% target.

There is no economic reason for inflation - only rationalizations to secure the 4% robbery

With a $20 plus trillion money supply that 4% is worth $800B each year. Think you could buy a few rationalizations for $800B/yr?


It's no wonder why Jefferson fought so hard against Central Banking and implied we would not survive as a free society if it ever took root. He went as far to say a Central Bank was unconstitutional, which I believe to be true. Didn't stop the statists (Wilson admin and cronies) in 1913 from getting it through in current form.

Buck Compton
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Gordo14 said:

TTUArmy said:

Just sat down to listen to this butt clown and I hear him say that their decisions on monetary policy are "data dependent". Holy crow...I nearly spit my scotch out.

The data from the BLS has been, and continues to be, a blazing dumpster fire. Considering the Fed's dual mandate of stable prices and low unemployment, I've gotta give these jokers a big fat F for missing half of their mandate. The BLS should be put out to pasture. They suck at their job. October rate cut is going to be 50 bps+, probably much more. Markets are going to roar and inflation is going to soar.


How is it a blazing dumpster fire? M/m we've had less than 2% inflation (annualized) for the past 4 months. 2% is the target. How is going from super restrictive policy to restrictive policy going to result in rampant inflation.
Holy ***** I just didn't want this to get missed. Is a federal funds rate of 5.25-5.50% actually considered "super restrictive" now? Until the dot com bubble burst, the lowest we'd seen since the late 50s is like 3%, Exhibit A that we're addicted to cheap/"free" money.

And as someone who use to contribute to PPI, I can guarantee you that the data is trash. it's the best we have, but it's trash. It is a dull instrument and we treat it as if it is precise.

And there isn't much besides aggressively cutting government spending that is going to stave off the inflation wave that is coming. I don't think there's much the Fed is going to be able to to about it, either.

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Buck Compton said:

Gordo14 said:

TTUArmy said:

Just sat down to listen to this butt clown and I hear him say that their decisions on monetary policy are "data dependent". Holy crow...I nearly spit my scotch out.

The data from the BLS has been, and continues to be, a blazing dumpster fire. Considering the Fed's dual mandate of stable prices and low unemployment, I've gotta give these jokers a big fat F for missing half of their mandate. The BLS should be put out to pasture. They suck at their job. October rate cut is going to be 50 bps+, probably much more. Markets are going to roar and inflation is going to soar.


How is it a blazing dumpster fire? M/m we've had less than 2% inflation (annualized) for the past 4 months. 2% is the target. How is going from super restrictive policy to restrictive policy going to result in rampant inflation.
Holy ***** I just didn't want this to get missed. Is a federal funds rate of 5.25-5.50% actually considered "super restrictive" now? Until the dot com bubble burst, the lowest we'd seen since the late 50s is like 3%, Exhibit A that we're addicted to cheap/"free" money.

And as someone who use to contribute to PPI, I can guarantee you that the data is trash. it's the best we have, but it's trash. It is a dull instrument and we treat it as if it is precise.

And there isn't much besides aggressively cutting government spending that is going to stave off the inflation wave that is coming. I don't think there's much the Fed is going to be able to to about it, either.


In absolute terms it may not be "super restrictive" but the economy isn't built in absolute terms. You have to look at the delta between where most is financed currently and where it would need to go. If you have a ton of corporate debt sitting out there at 4% then moving it to 7% is surely meaningful and restrictive particularly if business models were built on 4% cost of funds.

Restrictive also implies that it can be restricted...so chances are, we're not talking about government spending which will likely be funded regardless of the rate. Unless of course the "vigilantes" finally show up, but that is still a what if scenario that hasn't played out...for US debt anyway.
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Sims said:

Buck Compton said:

Gordo14 said:

TTUArmy said:

Just sat down to listen to this butt clown and I hear him say that their decisions on monetary policy are "data dependent". Holy crow...I nearly spit my scotch out.

The data from the BLS has been, and continues to be, a blazing dumpster fire. Considering the Fed's dual mandate of stable prices and low unemployment, I've gotta give these jokers a big fat F for missing half of their mandate. The BLS should be put out to pasture. They suck at their job. October rate cut is going to be 50 bps+, probably much more. Markets are going to roar and inflation is going to soar.


How is it a blazing dumpster fire? M/m we've had less than 2% inflation (annualized) for the past 4 months. 2% is the target. How is going from super restrictive policy to restrictive policy going to result in rampant inflation.
Holy ***** I just didn't want this to get missed. Is a federal funds rate of 5.25-5.50% actually considered "super restrictive" now? Until the dot com bubble burst, the lowest we'd seen since the late 50s is like 3%, Exhibit A that we're addicted to cheap/"free" money.

And as someone who use to contribute to PPI, I can guarantee you that the data is trash. it's the best we have, but it's trash. It is a dull instrument and we treat it as if it is precise.

And there isn't much besides aggressively cutting government spending that is going to stave off the inflation wave that is coming. I don't think there's much the Fed is going to be able to to about it, either.


In absolute terms it may not be "super restrictive" but the economy isn't built in absolute terms. You have to look at the delta between where most is financed currently and where it would need to go. If you have a ton of corporate debt sitting out there at 4% then moving it to 7% is surely meaningful and restrictive particularly if business models were built on 4% cost of funds.

Restrictive also implies that it can be restricted...so chances are, we're not talking about government spending which will likely be funded regardless of the rate. Unless of course the "vigilantes" finally show up, but that is still a what if scenario that hasn't played out...for US debt anyway.
The overwhelming majority of corporate AND real estate debt was financed at sub 4%, with many of it on floating terms. Why do you think everyone is screaming so loud to cut rates? Apparently the economy is doing well according to the Keynesians? So why do we need to cut? Because the economy is barely hanging by a thread and the wall of debt maturities in EVERYTHING has only started to begin. As we move toward 2025 and 2026, we hit the meat of the wall, and if rates are above 4%, every single company and property in the country, as well as the government rolling treasuries, will be doing so at higher cost to themselves if they were able to stay solvent and not default/foreclose before they can roll.

That's why there won't be a soft landing. We aren't "finished" with the problem that started all this. We just ended the beginning phase and are in the lull before the next phase.
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Buck Compton said:

Gordo14 said:

TTUArmy said:

Just sat down to listen to this butt clown and I hear him say that their decisions on monetary policy are "data dependent". Holy crow...I nearly spit my scotch out.

The data from the BLS has been, and continues to be, a blazing dumpster fire. Considering the Fed's dual mandate of stable prices and low unemployment, I've gotta give these jokers a big fat F for missing half of their mandate. The BLS should be put out to pasture. They suck at their job. October rate cut is going to be 50 bps+, probably much more. Markets are going to roar and inflation is going to soar.


How is it a blazing dumpster fire? M/m we've had less than 2% inflation (annualized) for the past 4 months. 2% is the target. How is going from super restrictive policy to restrictive policy going to result in rampant inflation.
Holy ***** I just didn't want this to get missed. Is a federal funds rate of 5.25-5.50% actually considered "super restrictive" now? Until the dot com bubble burst, the lowest we'd seen since the late 50s is like 3%, Exhibit A that we're addicted to cheap/"free" money.

And as someone who use to contribute to PPI, I can guarantee you that the data is trash. it's the best we have, but it's trash. It is a dull instrument and we treat it as if it is precise.

And there isn't much besides aggressively cutting government spending that is going to stave off the inflation wave that is coming. I don't think there's much the Fed is going to be able to to about it, either.




They can't do dick about it. The era of the Fed having the tools to manage all of this ended when our debt got to its current levels. When the debt is at $35T and growing then changing the interest rate is rearranging the chairs on the titanic. They can't do anything more than .25 to .50 moves because anything more has an outsized impact on interest payments

The math has grown to the point that you can't control it anymore. The idea that we can Volcker this won't happen. His job in hindsight was easy. He only had to worry about $1T in debt.
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