Grumpy Corporate Rant (Language Warning)

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I'm a Sr. CAD Designer with 11 years experience, 6 of those at my current company. Our engineering teams have lost very senior engineers recently due to forced retirements and layoffs, with over 150 years of company-specific experience between all of them. I genuinely want to quit on the spot when we are forced to attend company-wide quarterly updates from the #1, 2 and 3 bros at the top when they openly brag about record profit margins, acquiring smaller companies to "increase global market presence" once or twice a year. etc.... all immediately following two rounds of quiet layoffs. You know, the ones that are strategically implemented by the company executives and lawyers to avoid WARN laws so the company can avoid having negative new articles that shareholders will definitely see. But hey, it's just business. F those average people who now have to scramble for a new job, right?

As a father of 2 young kids, my yearly 2 or 3% base salary increases do not keep up with inflation, let alone result in an actual raise. Medical, dental and vision benefit plans also rise in price every year. On one hand, I'm grateful to have avoided two rounds of layoffs so far, but that only goes so far when 6 years after being hired, my base salary has effectively dropped by 19% (based on conservative/self-serving government website calculators). In reality, we all know inflation is higher than that. These suits throwing record profit figures in our faces is an insult. Not only does my personal situation factor into that frustration, but I also think about the guys we lost who weren't expecting it - we're a skeleton crew considering how large this company is, so nobody in engineering expected to be on the chopping block.

Are there any actual leaders out there in the corporate world or all of you self-serving, spineless "yes men" who never push back and then try to act like you have your teams back when shtf and we end up with burn out? Seems like there is no logic with layoffs and how businesses operate. Given my experience in companies who sell a physical product, you'd think the heart of the company is engineering and should be prioritized if innovation and being an "industry leader." It's more likely a lot of bs falling out of the mouths of these suits who fly around to all the different company sites, talking to us like we're children who don't understand what's going on... instead of ya know, having an actual plan and avoiding the hard conversations while living in fairy tale world where our colleagues and friends didn't just get thrown on the streets. At a lower level, Managers focus on KPI's and metrics, making everyone's day-to-day life harder but then... never use those metrics to justify not screwing over what is already a skeleton crew?

Please sack up and do better if you're a manager or director. You have all those KPI's and metrics we gave you, right? Use them. When an executive comes to you with a chopping block list, step back and formulate a way to push back because you and I know that they have NO IDEA what it takes for your team to succeed and hit the numbers they expect. This doesn't even necessarily have to be during the meeting. You can call for a meeting afterwards to convey why they are wrong. Laying down without a fight to avoid making waves doesn't help anyone. Your now smaller crew will burn themselves out hitting those numbers (maybe) and if they don't you'll look bad. The suits will look bad. Shareholders won't be happy. Company share value will decrease. There's your incentive for fighting for us. And you know what will happen next time things get tough? The suits will continue their uncreative, unintelligent way of "solving" budget problems. Lower level people are not as stupid as you may believe. We see your pathetic excuse for leadership, especially former military.

Directors and above, I know your masters at the top who constantly glaze all over your chin are only worried about this quarter and next quarter reports, but things are changing. Help them see the long-term consequences. I'm 36, but absolutely expect gen Z and beyond to unionize the corporate world in the near future. If you're hoping to climb the ladder to get where they are, it's probably not gonna be how you envision it with more and more people becoming in favor of unions. There is a good chance you'll have wasted your life getting to obtain something that will no longer exist when it's your turn.
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Job hopping is proven to get increases in salary. It sucks especially if you are a good fit at a company, but its just business. Do whats best for you
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What industry are you in that is going through layoffs? I work in the transportation sector and we can't keep enough staff on board. We have a ton of work. Seems for every 1 person we hire, we lose 2 - 3 to a competitor.
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The Pilot said:

What industry are you in that is going through layoffs? I work in the transportation sector and we can't keep enough staff on board. We have a ton of work. Seems for every 1 person we hire, we lose 2 - 3 to a competitor.


Industrial Automation.

Our leadership has been laying people off left and right. We've struggled to build product that have PO's and then what we have built, we cannot handle shipping and handling volume due to layoffs. Our customers don't trust us right now because we can't deliver orders on time so we are losing sales to competitors hand over fist. It's ugly.
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Sounds like the bros won't be touting record margins for long.
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Mike Hancho said:

Job hopping is proven to get increases in salary. It sucks especially if you are a good fit at a company, but its just business. Do whats best for you


Ya, unfortunately thats becoming more and more likely in my case. I've updated my resume and actively talking with recruiters.

First step before i jump ship is working on how I should navigate a discussion with my manager to increase my base salary, but there is next to no hope for that all things considered.
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EW2 said:

Mike Hancho said:

Job hopping is proven to get increases in salary. It sucks especially if you are a good fit at a company, but its just business. Do whats best for you


Ya, unfortunately thats becoming more and more likely in my case. I've updated my resume and actively talking with recruiters.

First step before i jump ship is working on how I should navigate a discussion with my manager to increase my base salary, but there is next to no hope for that all things considered.
Spin up an LLC, contract out your older colleagues that were forced out and be your own boss.

ETA: I'm just trying to think through downsides here...You know the industry and the players. You have expertise and access to a wealth of additional expertise. What's the overhead here? Some software licenses, professional liability insurance, a payroll system (they're cheap). Depending on what things look like for you health insurance wise, you could run things through a PEO and piggy back their risk pool of employees for health/401k/dental/vision/std/ltd etc.
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Unfortunately, this is the reality in corporate America. You work for those that focus on quarterly numbers to appease shareholders. Leadership is incentivized to meet quarterly metrics to make the stock look good. They do not care about long term company strength. So, making decisions that are bad long term actually helps them short term to achieve their bonuses.

You can either accept it for what it is or you can make a change. Good luck either way!!
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EW2 said:

Mike Hancho said:

Job hopping is proven to get increases in salary. It sucks especially if you are a good fit at a company, but its just business. Do whats best for you


Ya, unfortunately thats becoming more and more likely in my case. I've updated my resume and actively talking with recruiters.

First step before i jump ship is working on how I should navigate a discussion with my manager to increase my base salary, but there is next to no hope for that all things considered.


Gotta be more to this story.... Why on earth would you stay based on what you said in your OP, even if they did negotiate a bump in your pay? Are you geographically in a spot that you don't have choices or something? CAD designer send like an ready job to freelance/consult as well.

Change jobs ASAP, get away from the culture you obviously hate at this company, and get a raise. This day and age there is little to no reward for company loyalty, look out for your and your family always.
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An engineer who thinks the world revolves around him. Never seen that before.
Do you really think that your management never had any meetings about possible layoffs and your boss successfully fought for you? Or you think the meeting just popped up out of the blue and your boss laid down? The meetings where your boss fights for the status quo never get any attention. Dude has probably been fighting for your team for months. There is usually a lot more that happens that you aren't aware of because it isn't your job.
All that said, go find another place to work. Loyalty does eventually pay off, but shopping yourself out pays off better.
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From my experience in corporate America, there are a select few employees who the company really values, they get above average pay increases and promotions. Then there is everybody else who get 2-3% raises every year with basically no chance of promotions or above average pay increases.

Sounds like you're in the latter group and need to start looking for another job if you want to increase your salary.
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Some helpful tips:
It's not management running things, it's HR. They send out the list of cuts and your boss and his boss didn't get any say in who was on it. They could fight, but saving one senior person means cutting 2-3 junior people. It's not about headcount, it's about cost.

If you really do feel your manager doesn't fight for you at all, just find another. In your company or out doesn't matter.

Leaving your company nets the bigger raise, but even if you stay at the same company you need to change job roles and groups every 2-3 years. That's the only way corporations allow raises. It's all run by HR. For you to get more than the annual 3% means someone else gets less than 3%.

You don't get paid what you are worth. You get paid what you accept to work for. First day and every day after, that never changes. If you try to leave and they then offer a raise, it's because you forced them to accept that you weren't willing to work for their existing offer any longer. In the HR run companies this is the only way, don't take it personally, and it's not your managers fault. But be willing to walk if you take that path, don't say you are leaving without meaning you will.

You only get one life, if you aren't happy where you are, change that.
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EW,

I can relate to all of your grievances here. I don't have much to add except you've got to go advocate for yourself on the open market. What I do know is that its a tough time to be a CAD designer, as corporations generally view CAD drawings as just part of the engineer's day job, regardless of how much value a dedicated CAD guy can be. Its tough to get the corporate heads to shell out more for CAD designers because the pain of not having a CAD designer takes a long time to make a material impact. Your center manager is usually more than happy to just say 'whip the engineers harder' to make them get drawings out instead of letting a team bring on or not lose a CAD guy. And this doesn't even touch offshoring competition, the problems we have with it, and the deaf ears complaints about it fall on.

Our best CAD guys are the ones whose expertise is not just pumping out drawings, but can troubleshoot the internal software beaucracy that is storing, documenting, and releasing drawings. And that is tough to take from company to company because its all so specific.

I wish you the best navigating this predicament. To really improve your pay you're going to have to do something uncomfortable here. (And the more pain is the more potential gain).
-switch companies
-go get an engineering degree
-go start your own business

I would most recommend the first or the third. You go back to school and get an engineering degree over the course of a grueling half decade only to jump right back into the same B.S, just one step up higher.
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CAD/GIS and other supporting functions are always high on the chopping block on the industry side because they don't create value directly and they're easily outsourced to consulting firms or independent contractors. You should be thanking your manager for fighting to keep your team period.

Agree that you need to be looking elsewhere. Get a manager level job at a consulting firm or somewhere similar that uses your skills to sell and create value. Then you aren't playing second fiddle to the engineers or developers or whoever else, and you will get to be the guy using the KPIs to fight for your team.
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one MEEN Ag said:

Our best CAD guys are the ones whose expertise is not just pumping out drawings, but can troubleshoot the internal software beaucracy that is storing, documenting, and releasing drawings. And that is tough to take from company to company because its all so specific.


Makes sense. I'm also a Windchill admin for 3 US sites and work with our global engineering team to insure updates continue to align with US industry standards such as ASME, ASTM, etc..

Outside of work, I've taken the time to network with several Windchill experts. They agree that what I'm learning on the admin side is more or less impossible to come by since so few people have real world professional experience. It's an incredibly niche skill to have, so I view staying in my current position as an investment in myself. I'm fully aware that I have to continue to improve my skills and knowledge so I'm more valuable. Routine drawing changes, for us, almost always go overseas to India now unless it needs a very quick turnaround (affecting manufacturing lines or quality driven first article change). As of now we only have 2 designers and our director has flat out told us we will never hire another one - they prefer BSME's to your point.

In the meantime, the culture here has devolved into absolute garbage. It just seems like these higher ups are either morons or high. Nothing they do or say makes sense to people like me so I just had to get it off my chest. I meant what I said and meant to provoke people on here that are managers, directors and so on. We obviously can't have real conversations in the office so I want their sincere feedback and opinions to what I'm feeling and what many others are probably feeling. I hope it wasn't lost on them though that I wanted my post to be somewhat productive - which is why I tried to think through how I would approach helping my people.

Thanks.
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Agree with MEENag. There are at least two tiers of CAD designers. The top tier knows the CAD systems inside and out and are absolute gurus at fixing incompatibilities with file types, plotting, implementing automation, etc. Then there are CAD designers that are good at drawings. Be honest with yourself about which tier you are.

A lot of the leadership bros believe anything can be offshored. CAD is a common target. They don't understand the nuances of the work and the relationships with design engineering, manufacturing engineering, the shop floor etc. They just read in some WSJ article about all of the cost savings in offshoring and then start challenging the organization to cut cost. This is also of course how they get their bonus.

You need to really assess your skills and go interview with some other outfits. If you are going to make a jump consider a different industry that way you also acquire knowledge you wouldn't otherwise get which could help you down the road if you need to move again.

I would also suggest that if this frustration is evident at work you are potentially putting yourself on the list for the next round of layoffs. It's easier to get a job when you already have one than to find one after you've been laid off. Make contact with those senior engineers that have left. Find out where they ended up and how things are going. Network. You may find that things aren't much better elsewhere.

CAD can be a very satisfying career if you like what you are doing but it doesn't offer a lot of upward mobility in my experience. You might want to consider a lateral move in the company. Maybe something on the manufacturing side where you can use your knowledge in a new way.

good luck
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Our windchill admin super users are a very rare breed. They have to know how engineers use (abuse) the system, how software can suck, and how it can be managed. All of our windchill admins are flex/remote. If you can take on more windchill responsibility, that will greatly increase your marketability in finding a new job. Granted, you won't be releasing drawings but dealing with upset CAD designers and engineers, but it might be a better long term fit for career survivability.
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Life's short....if you're unhappy look elsewhere. Just know the grass isn't always greener.

But sometimes it is.....my wife has been with the same employer since she graduated in December 2010. Her base pay is up 215% since then. Some of that is promotions, but some is just them acknowledging when the market shifts and making rapid adjustments.

I've been with my company for 3 years now. I've received two raises, one over 10% and one over 5%, should find out my raise for this year in the next couple months. I've also received one raise outside of this with a promotion.

And both our work life balances and relationships with managers are pretty great. And both are in corporate America....
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DannyDuberstein said:

As a senior director that has worked in big corporate for 25 years, my team has no idea how many times I've justified saving their jobs, or where possible, making sure only the fat/underperformers got trimmed. It's practically annually. One thing I've also learned is that the underperformers tend to have the least self-perspective about their performance. Yes, big corporate tends to be all about running lean in a market that is changing faster and faster. If you let it get fat, you get slaughtered.

This.

The lack of self and situational awareness that I see from underperformers is practically delusional to me. Not only do they not recognize that compared to the rest of the team their contributions are paltry, but they also often cause the most issues.
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Start your own company.
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I just want to acknowledge that it is easy for a bunch of randos on the internet to say 'just leave your job bro you big f'ing wuss!". It's not always that easy depending on your situation.

That aside there is good advice on here on options. I was a senior leader in big corp for 20 years. They did me right for about 18 of that. Then I got stuck with an SVP who was an unethical POS. Derailed my career. When Covid hit, I early retired and started my own LLC as an independent consultant. That was fine although I didn't enjoy it all that much.

Ultimately went to a startup with a former customer. If you've been around long enough, are smart, have made good connections, and proven yourself you might be surprised at what opportunities may pop up if you did leave.

Bottom line is that there are bunch of jobs out there with few people who have the actual experience to do them. I'm not sure if this applies to CAD which I know dick about but it's generally true.
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I've increased my salary 72% in the past 2-1/2 years job hopping (was at one company for just under 2 years) and polishing my resume with sellable skills. I don't feel bad. Been laid off twice prior to prior to any of that and unfortunately learned the hard way that loyalty is not rewarded and you need to take care of #1.
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Emerson?
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Black Tooth Grin said:

Unfortunately, this is the reality in corporate America. You work for those that focus on quarterly numbers to appease shareholders. Leadership is incentivized to meet quarterly metrics to make the stock look good. They do not care about long term company strength. So, making decisions that are bad long term actually helps them short term to achieve their bonuses.

You can either accept it for what it is or you can make a change. Good luck either way!!

This is exactly correct. And is what is wrong with corporate America. I don't know if things were the same in the 60s and 70s. But you are right, the execs, except for people like Steve Jobs and Gates and the Google boys took long term decisions. Since they left, there isn't anyone like that and everyone takes short term decisions to make the numbers.

We cannot change that. So we have to adapt somehow.

I am currently in the job market having gotten laid off. I think they are looking to sell the company so are laying off leaders from divisions that are problem-free (yes, counter-intuitive). So after I land on my feet, I will be on constant job search mode until I retire. There is no such thing as loyalty. Just be selfish. Company can go to hell.
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Does your wife work in hr?
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No.
Gordon McKernan
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That was my guess as well
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Gordon McKernan said:

That was my guess as well

I know a guy who works (worked?) At jacobs who could have written the op, he is a lot older though. It may be industry wide
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