Sidelining?

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Aggiemundo
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I've always held the philosophy of buy and hold, mostly sticking with mutual funds and just relying on time in market, ignoring swings. I've done well with that, some short term rental investments, and other diversification over the years. I'm an executive in my company, but an engineer and fully admit my grasp on finance and economics is amateurish at best.

I've been with a lot of tech company executive leadership in the last few weeks, many on the uberwealthy side, and the picture I'm seeing and hearing from them is ugly. I'm hearing big box stores destroying fully assembled tv inventory en masse that's sitting in Asia because it's cheaper than warehousing it and they don't expect it to move even at 80% off Black Friday deals, semi book-to-bill dropping rapidly on cancellations (TIs guidance on Q4 of a 12% drop was what I was expecting after these meetings), and energy costs for average consumers in Europe rising from 200 per month to 1200 per month destroying disposable income. Beyond that, speaking with some of these billionaires and seeing them look across the table and say, "you realize how bad this is going to get, right?" Is disconcerting.

I'm not one to panic, and if we go through a lost decade I'll be fine, but honestly that's what it's sounding like at times. I think we may just lose 2023, but see semis in particular rocket the economy out in 2024 with expanding innovation that's going on in that space. I'm biased though. I'm considering sidelining at least 50% of my investments until April or so, but where do you stash it with this high inflation?
permabull
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6 month brokered CDs are at 4.4%
YouBet
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Maybe CDs or just cash. A lot of investment experts are saying cash is the best of the options for your average investor.

Here is a variety of viewpoints from some veterans:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/where-are-markets-headed-six-pros-take-their-best-guess-11667016037?st=p14f2ptzqymzu93&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

chris1515
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Hold cash and sell out of the money put options on stocks you'd like to own at the exercise prices.
AW 1880
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High yield savings accounts are up to 3.0-3.5%. Ive split my cash across several banks since they are only FDIC insured up to $250k. Kidding on the last part but know it might actually apply to some folks on here.
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AW 1880 said:

High yield savings accounts are up to 3.0-3.5%. Ive split my cash across several banks since they are only FDIC insured up to $250k. Kidding on the last part but know it might actually apply to some folks on here.
Yep, I'm currently working 16 different online accounts right now.
TriAg2010
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You are probably not going to successfully time the market. Your buy-and-hold approach is sound.
aggiebq03+
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YouBet said:

AW 1880 said:

High yield savings accounts are up to 3.0-3.5%. Ive split my cash across several banks since they are only FDIC insured up to $250k. Kidding on the last part but know it might actually apply to some folks on here.
Yep, I'm currently working 16 different online accounts right now.

Yes but how many billionaires were sitting at the table as you opened all those accounts? Your humble brag game is weak my friend.
permabull
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If you go with brokered CDs, you can have all your money in one account but spread across different banks. Each bank you hold CDs with would get you $250k coverage per bank.
Wrighty
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These "tech company leaders" and "billionaires" (and just about everyone in this forum) were buying stocks and fully investing 12 months ago, when the market was 30% higher than current and things felt positive.

Now, the market drops to a 1 year low and these guys say "its time to go to cash".

It's classic "buy high and sell low" behavior. Its natural to act this way, but I guess not everyone can recognize the behavior, including these "smart guys".

The true smart money holds long term, or even operates as Warren Buffet says: "be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful."
YouBet
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aggiebq03+ said:

YouBet said:

AW 1880 said:

High yield savings accounts are up to 3.0-3.5%. Ive split my cash across several banks since they are only FDIC insured up to $250k. Kidding on the last part but know it might actually apply to some folks on here.
Yep, I'm currently working 16 different online accounts right now.

Yes but how many billionaires were sitting at the table as you opened all those accounts? Your humble brag game is weak my friend.
Just me.
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Aggiemundo said:

I've always held the philosophy of buy and hold, mostly sticking with mutual funds and just relying on time in market, ignoring swings. I've done well with that, some short term rental investments, and other diversification over the years. I'm an executive in my company, but an engineer and fully admit my grasp on finance and economics is amateurish at best.

I've been with a lot of tech company executive leadership in the last few weeks, many on the uberwealthy side, and the picture I'm seeing and hearing from them is ugly. I'm hearing big box stores destroying fully assembled tv inventory en masse that's sitting in Asia because it's cheaper than warehousing it and they don't expect it to move even at 80% off Black Friday deals, semi book-to-bill dropping rapidly on cancellations (TIs guidance on Q4 of a 12% drop was what I was expecting after these meetings), and energy costs for average consumers in Europe rising from 200 per month to 1200 per month destroying disposable income. Beyond that, speaking with some of these billionaires and seeing them look across the table and say, "you realize how bad this is going to get, right?" Is disconcerting.

I'm not one to panic, and if we go through a lost decade I'll be fine, but honestly that's what it's sounding like at times. I think we may just lose 2023, but see semis in particular rocket the economy out in 2024 with expanding innovation that's going on in that space. I'm biased though. I'm considering sidelining at least 50% of my investments until April or so, but where do you stash it with this high inflation?
That you have been sitting across the table with more than one billionaire out of the slightly over 600 of them in the U.S. is impressive!
Wrighty
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Aggiemundo said:

speaking with some of these billionaires and seeing them look across the table
JohnLA762
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Hey OP, is this the billionaire looking across the table at you?!?

Captain Winky
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What is up with these stupid indicators people are giving for a recession? This guy says it's because "billionaires" can't sell TVs and another guy said it's because a restaurant he went to wasn't busy.
Aggiemundo
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Didn't mean for this to become some humble brag post about me. Sorry it was taken that way. I only stated the type of people I was with to try to convey I felt there is some weight to the statements I'm hearing. I'm not used to being in rooms with people at that level either, just had the fortune to be.

Sounds like the majority opinion here is hold. Thanks for the advice.
Baby Billy
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So you've ignored the ups and downs in the past, admitted to having success with a buy and hold strategy with quality investments, but now think you should do something completely different?? Are you stupid or just looking for reassurance?
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