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Sea Speed
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You don't need cash in the bank to live like that and this thread is the proof
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TXTransplant
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Sea Speed said:

You don't need cash in the bank to live like that and this thread is the proof


Haha…point taken! What's a name for that, though…Credit wealthy?
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Exactly what was playing in my mind when I typed that
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TXTransplant said:

Sea Speed said:

You don't need cash in the bank to live like that and this thread is the proof


Haha…point taken! What's a name for that, though…Credit wealthy?


Honestly? I think the term American would suffice, unfortunately.
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No kidding. I'm constantly trying to do the math in my head for some acquaintances. I just can't make it work, and they clearly don't need to.
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htxag09 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

It amazes me how some people can be so idiotic.

https://www.marketwatch.com/picks/im-paycheck-to-paycheck-i-make-350k-a-year-but-have-88k-in-student-loans-170k-in-car-loans-and-a-mortgage-i-pay-4-500-a-month-on-do-i-need-professional-help-01664544530

$350k income and still living paycheck to paycheck is only possible by being completely financially inept.

$170k in car loans, $4.5k/month mortgage, and they write up a woe is me story expecting people to feel sorry for them?

I'd still say something doesn't add up? I mean they should be bringing home $20k a month? So 4.5k plus 2k for cars (?)… they should be fine. Said they don't have credit card debt. But seems they have to have a bunch of extra spending if truly living paycheck to paycheck. A $4,500 mortgage for someone making $350k isn't terrible.


This looks like a typical FAANG employee in the Bay Area. The two Teslas are a giveaway.
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I just read the article and it's $350k before taxes. I wonder what's left after taxes. And if they are contributing to a 401k, there goes as much as another $20k.

Still doing pretty well, but maybe not $20k/month. I bet there is some daycare and/or private school tuition in there, too.

Also, "paycheck to paycheck" includes savings, per the original question. So it's not like they are broke. As someone else pointed out, sounds like they are doing it right, if they are still saving some at the end of the month. Paycheck to paycheck is not an accurate description of their financial situation.
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it's f-ing clickbait people. Don't put too much thought into it.
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Only one reward credit card for us. We use it for our daily transactions. It always revolves around $6-8k per month but we pay the previous monthly balance every time. Never paid interest on it in over 10 years.
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Red Pear Felipe said:

Only one reward credit card for us. We use it for our daily transactions. It always revolves around $6-8k per month but we pay the previous monthly balance every time. Never paid interest on it in over 10 years. P
$8k a month on a credit card?????
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No joke. I'm impressed with anyone that can get under 10k
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Are y'all paying your monthly mortgage, car payments, EVERYTHING on the credit card, then paying it off every month?

If so, is there any downside in doing this to maximize the rewards?
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You can't pay most mortgages and car payments with a credit card. I pay everything else with mine, though. If you're disciplined, pay it off every month, and don't view it as an extended line of credit I don't see a downside.
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I don't have the ability to put mortgage or auto loans on credit. I wish that was an option to help rack up the points.
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Curious, how many children do you have and what are their ages? 8k a month is not abnormal if you have a few kids and they're at the ages where they are all in different activities. Age 8+
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Glad I'm not the only one re: monthly credit card bill...
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If you put away 10k a year into your 401k starting at age 25 to age 65 and got a 3% match while returning a conservative 6%, you would have 2.08 million when you retire. Not including any Roth or taxable brokerage. People simply are ignorant to investing or just would rather spend money on stupid ****
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Ed Carter said:

Curious, how many children do you have and what are their ages? 8k a month is not abnormal if you have a few kids and they're at the ages where they are all in different activities. Age 8+
That is $96,000 a year assuming you're also not covering a mortgage and property taxes.

That also doesn't factor in what you're paying in federal taxes as well.

Just hard to wrap my head around the $8K a month. That's a lot of cheddar...
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Ed Carter said:

Curious, how many children do you have and what are their ages? 8k a month is not abnormal if you have a few kids and they're at the ages where they are all in different activities. Age 8+
I have 6 kids and spend half of that. Everything goes on the card.

They must go out to eat a couple of times per week, or have a serious Amazon addiction.
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not hedge said:

If you put away 10k a year into your 401k starting at age 25 to age 65 and got a 3% match while returning a conservative 6%, you would have 2.08 million when you retire. Not including any Roth or taxable brokerage. People simply are ignorant to investing or just would rather spend money on stupid ****


Yup. It's not how much you make, it's how much you save.
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Are y'all really assuming all $10k on this monthly cc bill is frivolous spending?
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I would bet 75% of it is. People adjust their lifestyle by how much income they bring in. Sure necessary expenses will rise, but people start buying higher quality "luxury" items.
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If people spend more than me it's frivolous and they're not saving money.

-Texags
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I basically live like I do in college (frugal jerk) because I'm obsessed with saving money, it's all dependent on lifestyle but yes most people spend money on stupid **** they don't use or need in general.
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MAS444 said:

If people spend more than me it's frivolous and they're not saving money.

-Texags
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We put $5-10k (and more depending on what's going on) on one CC every month. Literally everything we spend but our mortgage is on there. All bills are on it. We have no car pmts.

I pay it off every pay day just to stay ahead of it so twice a month.

We set our savings goals which get hit first. Assuming we hit all savings goals then the rest is discretionary.
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You have 6 kids and spend $4000 a month for your household??
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Yeah, we've been really trying to cut our expenses. We are Dave Ramsey-ish in the sense that we know that you must learn to live within your means. My wife and I still put away about 15% combined towards our 401ks and we have no car payments. Our cars are paid off. Our kids play club soccer so that's $900 alone per month. Everything else we put on the card is food, gas money, shopping, etc.

I'd like do bring it down to about $4-6k per month.
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We make at least about $2-3k a year in cash rewards. I just use them as statement credits. Our main priorities come from our checking account such as the mortgage, utilities, and insurance. We put everything else on the card. We use the Premium Rewards credit card through BOA. We pay an annual fee of $79 to get a little more back plus it also helps that our BOA accounts are linked up to get even more points back.
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2 teenage kids...one is a junior and one is a freshman. The junior driving is kicking my ass! Thoughts and prayers to my insurance premiums.
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I'm pissed when our total CC bill exceeds $6,000 for a month. It's usually sub $5k. But then again I'm a lol-poor. For reference, our combined take home is about $9,000.
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Red Pear Felipe said:

We make at least about $2-3k a year in cash rewards. I just use them as statement credits. Our main priorities come from our checking account such as the mortgage, utilities, and insurance. We put everything else on the card. We use the Premium Rewards credit card through BOA. We pay an annual fee of $79 to get a little more back plus it also helps that our BOA accounts are linked up to get even more points back.
We do similar.

My wife and I put all the expenses we can - probably $10-12k per month on average - on our CITI 2% cashback card, and then pay it off in full on the first of every month. (Chose the CITI card because 2% cashback on everything was simple enough and there's no fee)

We then take that $200+ cash back every month and add it to our pile that we throw into mutual funds towards early retirement. Turns into $2-3k extra invested per year which isn't all that much, but everything helps.
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Put me in the camp of having a credit card bill in the $6k/month range (roughly $10k/month take home). Just this year, I've had a low of $3600 and a high of $9400. Most months it's in the $6-$7k range, though. I do get roughly 2% cash back (it's a travel card, so rewards vary) or about $2k/year.

Almost everything except mortgage and taxes goes on my cc. I don't have any car payments. I do still use bill pay for my MUD water bill and Centerpoint gas bill, and I have a couple of services that I pay using Zelle (yard, son's tuba instructor).

But my cc bill includes all groceries, car insurance (also have a teenaged driver), homeowner's insurance, travel/vacations, medical bills (drs visits, eye glasses, prescriptions), car maintenance and registration, electricity bill, cell phone, life insurance policy, umbrella insurance policy, gym membership, etc, etc.

Some of these expenses get reimbursed for various reasons (for example, when I buy tickets for my son to visit his dad and he has to pay all or a portion).

I pay it off every month and never carry a balance.

My son carries a second card, and he usually puts a few hundred on it a month, mostly gas, some eating out, and school supplies/expenses.

I've tracked my monthly income and spending every year since 2005. It's pretty amazing to see the increase in salary AND spending. With every move, my living expenses have gone up (mortgage, insurance, taxes, etc.), but so has my income, and my savings (excluding the hit my investment account has taken this year).

I will admit, I can spend on frivolous things, but it's not 75% of my bill. Not even close. Now, if I did want to cut back, it would be on travel expenses. But that's not happening. It's the whole reason I got to work every day.

I can look at my spreadsheet for this year, though, and tell that expenses are WAY up. Inflation is no joke.

Edited to add: I was also tracking all my savings/retirement/investment accounts. Watched that grow to 7 figures, but I haven't updated that part of the spreadsheet since last December. Too depressing.

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We probably spend $500/month "frivolously" unless I have a renovation project. Our CC bills are also probably 5 to 6k and paid off in full every month, but we split them. I have agas card I get 6% on, a grocery card i get 5 or 6% on, Amazon card we get 5% on andnthe rest is on a southwest premier card, although I think I should change that one to something more worthwhile as we have been doing road trips since covid started. Occasionally we will open a new CC with a good bonus and whatever term 0% financing for a large purchase and pay that off within the allotted amount of time. It seems ignorant not to put as much as possible on a CC so long as you have self control. Unfortunately, that is a problem for q lot of people.
 
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