topher06 said:

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Biglaw attorneys make $500k+ in their thirties. Dated a doctor who made a little under a million a year for a bit, early 30s. Think it's completely reasonable that people in their 30s make mid six figures

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Sure, it happens, but isn't exactly common.

Those that are doctors and lawyers make up a very small percentage of the population. Even less are those that manage to make it to big law (or a selective specialty) and stay with it long enough.

jja79 said:

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It's way more common than you think.

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We must have different definitions of common, but <1% of the population isn't common in my view

jja79 said:

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It's way more common than you think.

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Well, it's not but I'm not sure there is any point in arguing about it.

Damn, inflation be crazy. Now the average TexAgs salary is $600k.

Out in Left Field said:

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Damn, inflation be crazy. Now the average TexAgs salary is $600k.

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If it makes you feel any better, I've only made about $3k this year so I'm single-handedly killing the average of this board.

I probably shouldn't be allowed to post here.

You're still allowed to post here, because you're the smartest of us all.


You got yourself a Sugar Mama.

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I talked to a 30 something year old Friday that is straight salary. $50,000/month but couldn't qualify him for a mortgage because his debt to income ratio is too high and he doesn't have any money for a down payment.

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Context is important. No this is not common for the overall US population, but it's pretty common for physicians in procedure-heavy specialties with long training periods.

Graduate medical school at 27 with $200,000 in debt (the median debt for US medical school graduates). Complete a neurosurgery residency and neurotrauma fellowship (8 years of training and likely 1 move across country from residency to fellowship). At 6.28% interest on the loan (current Direct Plus loan interest rate) and a salary during training ranging from 60-75k (meaning less ammunition to make a dent in loans), the physician leaves training with ~$330,000 debt.

Let's say this physician just finished his training this July (the medical academic year ends in June) and signed on as a neurosurgery/neurotrauma staff physician with annual salary of $600,000 (totally believable at a large urban hospital with a level I trauma center that needs a new neurosurgeon to maintain their trauma certification). He has 1 month's salary under his belt with no cash and a high debt to income ratio.

This scenarios is so common, that First Republic advertises doctor debt consolidation loans and mortgages to lock these individuals into their banking ecosystem long term. If it's not a doctor though, I got nothin' for ya.

AggiEE said:

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jja79 said:

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It's way more common than you think.

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We must have different definitions of common, but <1% of the population isn't common in my view

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More common than you think and common are two different things.

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Out in Left Field said:

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Damn, inflation be crazy. Now the average TexAgs salary is $600k.

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I don't think anyone said that. I'm in banking and see lots of people's financials. It astounds me how many high 6 figure and 7 figure earners there are. I never said it was typical. I said it's more common that what people think, or so I believe. And yes many of those I talk to and do business with in that income range are on this site.

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Selection bias. These figures are for less than 1% of the population so they definitely aren't common in the overall population.

But as a banker you likely deal with ppl that are more well off, so you likely see income levels like these more than 1% of the time.

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"it's more common than you think!"

"how do you know how common I think it is?"

"I don't, but it's more common than whatever that is"

"don't you ****ing tell me how common I think something is!"

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never change TexAgs.

I've been a licensed attorney for nineteen years. I know many, many other attorneys across the state in all different practice areas. The average salary for a person with my experience is like $170k a year. I have never come across a single lawyer in their 30's making $600 or even $500k a year. Are there exceptions? Sure. But the reality for most attorneys is that they don't make NEAR what the public thinks they make.

Yeah, that ain't happening on salary. And even if you're making that on contingency or as a rainmaker, there is no guarantee you can do it year in year out.

They took all true incentives out of my business b/c commission structures were making too much.


So here I am, a nearly 40 year old low level exec making not enough to be happy.

...just giving them 50% at work and putting overtime into developing - building cheap houses for fat people and their pit bulls to move into and pay me 1500 / month.

My wife was a RN in the OR prior to becoming a Realtor. She works with lots of highly paid surgeons. She has always said they are just highly paid technicians, trading thier time for money just like most of the population. The real moral of this story is human psychology is pretty damn consistent. Robert Kiyosaki explains it best in his Cash Flow Quadrant book by saying most people spend the same percentage of income no matter how much they make. It's just like how we will allow work to expand to the time allotted for it.

Becoming wealthy takes a different approach all together where you invest earned income and live off the cashflow.

Dan Scott said:

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This countries tax code and economic system benefits investors and entrepreneurs. You can't make it big working for somebody. You can have a nice middle class life but that's it.

Buy some land and develop it into office/warehouse. You should be able to collect more than enough monthly to service the debt. In a few year it's all paid off. In the meantime, you borrow against it and go build another one. Eventually you'll be making 6 figures doing nothing. It's not like a house where you have to find a tenant every year. You get to expense everything for tax purposes.

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This is some TikTok ass financial advice. In theory, you can make the above work, but there are a lot of risks and caveats that go along with it.

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Hungry Ojos said:

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I've been a licensed attorney for nineteen years. I know many, many other attorneys across the state in all different practice areas. The average salary for a person with my experience is like $170k a year. I have never come across a single lawyer in their 30's making $600 or even $500k a year. Are there exceptions? Sure. But the reality for most attorneys is that they don't make NEAR what the public thinks they make.

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Come on, man. We've all read The Firm.

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Well - we at least watched the movie.

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My wife was a RN in the OR prior to becoming a Realtor. She works with lots of highly paid surgeons. She has always said they are just highly paid technicians, trading thier time for money just like most of the population. The real moral of this story is human psychology is pretty damn consistent. Robert Kiyosaki explains it best in his Cash Flow Quadrant book by saying most people spend the same percentage of income no matter how much they make. It's just like how we will allow work to expand to the time allotted for it.

Becoming wealthy takes a different approach all together where you invest earned income and live off the cashflow.

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If doctors are just "glorified technicians" according to your realtor wife

What does that make realtors? Glorified swindlers?

BURN....lol dude you didn't even quote me accurately.

At,least for me, and probably others on this board. I have a relatively decent net worth because I am a saver, I don't spend a ton, which makes having the money kind of pointless, other than security/freedom, which for me is the real value of it - if I want to quit a job, or if I were to get laid off, or even if I chose to retire (though I would have to be fairly frugal as of now), I am safe from bad outcomes for the most part. And not having that worry is worth what I give up, then it becomes a lifestyle.
As far as the general population, 64 percent of all Americans, and 48 percent of those making over 100k live paycheck to paycheck right now. Some of that can't be helped much for working class or even some middle class folks. but a lot of it is just bad decisions when you get to the higher brackets. One of the things that was fascinating in 2020 was how many luxury cars were driving into food banks when the crisis hit. We aren't a particularly financially literate country,

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I have a relatively decent net worth because I am a saver

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Same. We have no debt & I think a lot of my mindset has to do with my parents. They worked hard - I doubt either of them ever made over $40K a year. They saved to pay cash for big purchases - no new car until they could pay for it & they kept those cars for 10+ years. Typically all they had was a mortgage at first but later in life, they paid cash on nice houses that were not over the top & smaller at each step of their transition. All of their kids are college graduates (granted - it was a lot less money in the old days, but they paid for each of us so we would not have debt) and all 3 of us are doing fine financially - none of us are in major debt.

Different times for sure, but I still live with the same values.