occurs if worldwide passenger car production goes electric vs combustion engine (excluding heavy equipment and larger tow capacity pickup truck s)?
monarch said:
Until electric cars can solve driving distance issues, I would rather have a natural gas car. I have a conventional gasoline powered 2014 Ford Taurus with all the bells and whistles that I can drive over 500 miles on a full tank of gas (freeway driving, not street driving). With an electric car, how many times would I have to recharge to do that? Can an electric car get me from Houston to Dallas on a full charge and if not where do I I stop to recharge and how long does it take to recharge once I get there? In most electric cars on the market, if not all, I can't get myself from Klein to Aggieland and back for a football game. At least with natural gas I can make those trips plus I know where there are refuling stations in metro Dallas and Houston ( I don't know about College Station).
Get my point?
GarlandAg2012 said:
The biggest battery in a Tesla is 100 kWh. At $0.10/kWh that's $10 for a "full tank". If you have an electricity plan with free nights and weekends or a lower rate, it could be cheaper.
Here are some other people sharing their math as well:
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/how-much-does-it-cost-fully-charge-model-s-85
The EPA range for the 100 kWh battery is 335 miles. Let's call it 300 for normal people. At $10 for 300 miles, that's $0.033/mile.
A Prius gets 52 mpg combined, call it 50 for simplicity. 50 miles for a gallon of gas at $2.00/gal is $0.04/mile. If gas goes to $2.50/gal, youre at $0.05/mile.
An F150 gets about 20 mpg on a good day. Realistically more like 18, but we'll call it 20. That puts it at $0.10/mile for $2 gas and $0.125/mile at $2.50 gas.
1876er said:monarch said:
Until electric cars can solve driving distance issues, I would rather have a natural gas car. I have a conventional gasoline powered 2014 Ford Taurus with all the bells and whistles that I can drive over 500 miles on a full tank of gas (freeway driving, not street driving). With an electric car, how many times would I have to recharge to do that? Can an electric car get me from Houston to Dallas on a full charge and if not where do I I stop to recharge and how long does it take to recharge once I get there? In most electric cars on the market, if not all, I can't get myself from Klein to Aggieland and back for a football game. At least with natural gas I can make those trips plus I know where there are refuling stations in metro Dallas and Houston ( I don't know about College Station).
Get my point?
The Tesla Model 3 has a stated range of 215 Miles. That gets you to South Dallas. My guess is you will be able to get more than 215 miles with cruise control on at 70 mph that might get you to Plano, but assuming you don't there are Superchargers in Huntsville and Corsicana. It will take about 45 minutes to get a full charge at a supercharger, but you could easily get to Anywhere in Dallas with a 15 minute charge.
With a 215 mile range, you can easily get from Klein to CS and back on a single charge with plenty to spare.
Yep. Will be very interesting to see how a mass produced non-luxury Tesla will hold up. The Model 3 will be bought by a pretty different demographic set from the Model S and X.The Original AG 76 said:1876er said:monarch said:
Until electric cars can solve driving distance issues, I would rather have a natural gas car. I have a conventional gasoline powered 2014 Ford Taurus with all the bells and whistles that I can drive over 500 miles on a full tank of gas (freeway driving, not street driving). With an electric car, how many times would I have to recharge to do that? Can an electric car get me from Houston to Dallas on a full charge and if not where do I I stop to recharge and how long does it take to recharge once I get there? In most electric cars on the market, if not all, I can't get myself from Klein to Aggieland and back for a football game. At least with natural gas I can make those trips plus I know where there are refuling stations in metro Dallas and Houston ( I don't know about College Station).
Get my point?
The Tesla Model 3 has a stated range of 215 Miles. That gets you to South Dallas. My guess is you will be able to get more than 215 miles with cruise control on at 70 mph that might get you to Plano, but assuming you don't there are Superchargers in Huntsville and Corsicana. It will take about 45 minutes to get a full charge at a supercharger, but you could easily get to Anywhere in Dallas with a 15 minute charge.
With a 215 mile range, you can easily get from Klein to CS and back on a single charge with plenty to spare.
If it is as they tout the Tesla 3 could be a game changer, IF they can fill the demand
The Original AG 76 said:
has anybody done a study of the effect on the power grid IF tens of millions of cars and trucks were hooked up to the grid recharging every night ? We already have serious summer brown outs due the A/C surge we get during a heat wave in the yankee states and even in some areas on Texas. All of the "pie in the sky" unicorn fart utopian bilge about electric cars always seems to neglect the need for charging infrastructure and generating power required in order to make this fantasyland happen.
Yes, I did a calculation in another thread.The Original AG 76 said:
has anybody done a study of the effect on the power grid IF tens of millions of cars and trucks were hooked up to the grid recharging every night ? We already have serious summer brown outs due the A/C surge we get during a heat wave in the yankee states and even in some areas on Texas. All of the "pie in the sky" unicorn fart utopian bilge about electric cars always seems to neglect the need for charging infrastructure and generating power required in order to make this fantasyland happen.
a model 3 isn't going to prevent me from getting laid like a Prius or a camary would.Dirt 05 said:
Based on Garland Ag's cost/mile estimates you would need to drive 200-300 thousand miles before reaching cost parity on a $35k tesla model 3 and a $29k Toyota Prius? Vs. a $25k Chevy Malibu that gets 30 mpg on a four cylinder you reach cost parity between 100 and 125k miles with $2.50 gas. That also assumes no maintenance and repair costs but also doesn't include lost opportunity costs either. The Tesla model 3 will have made significant strides in being competitive economically vs IC cars, but isn't here yet.
The sport sedan tesla's don't compare on a cost basis at all, nor should they as a luxury vehicle.
GarlandAg2012 said:
The biggest battery in a Tesla is 100 kWh. At $0.10/kWh that's $10 for a "full tank". If you have an electricity plan with free nights and weekends or a lower rate, it could be cheaper.
Here are some other people sharing their math as well:
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/how-much-does-it-cost-fully-charge-model-s-85
The EPA range for the 100 kWh battery is 335 miles. Let's call it 300 for normal people. At $10 for 300 miles, that's $0.033/mile.
A Prius gets 52 mpg combined, call it 50 for simplicity. 50 miles for a gallon of gas at $2.00/gal is $0.04/mile. If gas goes to $2.50/gal, youre at $0.05/mile.
An F150 gets about 20 mpg on a good day. Realistically more like 18, but we'll call it 20. That puts it at $0.10/mile for $2 gas and $0.125/mile at $2.50 gas.
The Original AG 76 said:
has anybody done a study of the effect on the power grid IF tens of millions of cars and trucks were hooked up to the grid recharging every night ? We already have serious summer brown outs due the A/C surge we get during a heat wave in the yankee states and even in some areas on Texas. All of the "pie in the sky" unicorn fart utopian bilge about electric cars always seems to neglect the need for charging infrastructure and generating power required in order to make this fantasyland happen.
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As mentioned earlier, thermal efficiencies are already incorporated in grid MW, so you would need less than your 12MM MW [sic]. A better way to look at it is probably that EV gets about 3.5 miles/kwh vs. approx 35 mpg for equivalent car. 360,000,000 x 35 / 3.5 = 3600 GWh of electric power. Divide by eight nighttime hours to average an additional demand of 450 GW nationwide. Texas is about 10% of that, 45GW. In Texas (ercot), we currently have reliable capacity of around 70 GW while we only use around 40GW at night. If you add some renewables we're even closer.