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RV park investment. Anybody own one?

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agneck
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Have two tracts in NEw Braunfels good for RVs, I think. Anybody have experience with them? Trying to do master plan.
libertyag
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We own a small one. Bought an existing park just over three years ago after looking into developing a park. Before you get too far along, check with the county/city permitting folks and get a copy of their ordinance or rules regulating RV parks. Of course these things vary with the location, but some can almost kill a deal (hopefully before you get started).

When I checked into developing a park, I found I had to have a drainage study done and it would involve a retention pond. The size would depend on the drainage study. In some areas, it isn't a big deal, in others you can wind up using up a decent size chunk of your real estate. The study was quite expensive.

A lot of parks in our area have rock roads but the rules changed a few years ago and that is no longer allowed. Have to go with concrete, asphalt, or chip seal under the new rules. Adds greatly to the cost.

Another thing to consider is what utilities are available at your two tracts. I would never build a park where I had to have my own water well. Ours has municipal water and sewer. While not having sewer and having to use a septic system would not cause me to back off, having to have a water well would. Even with municipal water and sewer, we were going to have to put in a lift station, back then they quoted us $23,000 on that.

Another thing about developing your own park is having to make a guess at what sort of occupancy you might expect to see what sort of return you can get on your investment. If buying an existing park, you have some idea about what has happened in the past. There are different types of RV parks and two common ones are destination parks (where people want to be in that location because of something in that area, such as the beach, a lake, etc.) and those geared to long-term workers. Ours is the latter.

I will tell you that the cost of building one is likely going to be higher than you think, at least it was for me. And even though we own stock in the bank we do business with (it is a locally owned bank, not publicly traded), they would not lend on an RV park and consider any income from the park in determining if they would make a loan. In other words, qualifying for the loan would be based on other income and assuming the RV park netted to zero.

A couple of things to consider. Be sure each site has 30 and 50 amp hookups, don't build so that some have 30 and some have 50. Have both on each pedestal. A lot of folks ask for pull through sites. We don't have any, all of ours are back in, but our road through the park is like 50 feet wide so that backing into a space is not difficult like if the road was rather narrow. I would suggest having some pull-through sites. To maximize the number of spaces per acre will mean you still will need some back in sites. I suggest having them at an angle (45 degrees or something) to your roads rather than perpendicular (90 degrees), makes for easier back in for your tenants.

And while density is important (sites per acre), I suggest building larger sites, 30 by 70 or so or even 35 by 80. The bigger units with multiple slide outs require more room. Having bigger sites will get you a better class of tenants over time. Our park has nothing behind the two rows of sites, so many of our folks park their bass boats, or bay boats, behind their RV. Almost all of the other parks do not have that kind of room. In fact, we got two guys this week who chose our park because there was room for their bass boats.

The electrical is going to blow your mind. We bought our park as I mentioned and are completing building a new office, laundry, shower, rec room and ran wire to it and used copper rather than aluminum and it was expensive.

A suggestion on your water lines, do a loop feed and put a cut off between each space. That will mean having an inexpensive 3/4" valve between each space. But if someone breaks the water line, you can shut off the valves on either side and only that space will be without water.

Having said all that, RV parks (provided you are in the right location) are pretty good cash cows. I have really enjoyed ours. I am a CPA and have detest that sort of work in recent years but love going to the park. I like to go mow, visit with the folks, and look forward to going down there. My son runs the place (and soon will own it) and I cover for him on some days. We treat people like we would want to be treated, and not many seem to do that. As such, we get a lot of repeat business and referrals.

If you have any questions let me know and I will be happy to try to answer them.
Diggity
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Great info liberty. I feel like I just took a crash course in RV lot development.
Martin Q. Blank
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Great investment. My grandfather always said the lower the class, the higher the return. Applies to Monopoly too. Always try to obtain a monopoly for the light blues and oranges. Leave the greens and Boardwalk and Park Place.
libertyag
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Great investment. My grandfather always said the lower the class, the higher the return. Applies to Monopoly too. Always try to obtain a monopoly for the light blues and oranges. Leave the greens and Boardwalk and Park Place.
While I tend to agree, in part, with your grandfather (the monopoly analogy is good), I don't know about low class. We have quite a few folks that make over $150,000 a year and two (had three) over $200,000 a year. Toss another $20,000 to $35,000 per diem on top of that and it isn't pocket change. I know the incomes of many of them because they ask me to do their tax returns and while I will look at their returns for mistakes I don't do their returns.
cohibasymas
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Hope it works out for you! As a full-time RVer, please please please invest in phenomenal wifi/broadband equipment! It's the single biggest challenge my wife and I face in every RV park we've ever stayed in, as we both work full time from our rig during the normal work week.
The Wonderer
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cohibasymas said:

Hope it works out for you! As a full-time RVer, please please please invest in phenomenal wifi/broadband equipment! It's the single biggest challenge my wife and I face in every RV park we've ever stayed in, as we both work full time from our rig during the normal work week.
This. I full timed while in Kansas and the internet made working from home near impossible.

Thoughts on the park:
  • 45* pads and pull throughs are a must. There are rigs today that are 40'-50' in length. They are PITA to back into 90* pads
  • Put your sewage drop at the halfway point of the pad. Some RVs have their black tanks in the front, some have them in the back. Most carry a hose that will reach the halfway point of their rig. Make it so that the vast majority of RVs on the road can reach your sewage drop with a standard length hose.
  • 30 and 50 amps on the pole is the best idea.
  • Be sure to make your road turns wider to allow for sweeping turns and reduce the need to make 3-point turns.
  • Look into the cost for a small washateria. Long termers need to do laundry and many vacationers like the ability to do a few loads - especially those with kids.

That's what I can think of off the top of my head from my traveling and full timing RV days. Libertyag is spot on with everything he said.
Greeze06
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Anyone have one they want to sell?
libertyag
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Greeze06 said:

Anyone have one they want to sell?
There are a couple of places that I know of that list RV parks. One is RVPARKSTORE and they have them listed by state and by city. Also, there is Baehre Real Estate that also handles rv park sales. Might take a look at both websites to see if there are any in your area.

The one we bought was not for sale but I found the owner on the appraisal district records and wrote her a letter. If you see a park that you are interested in, it might be worth a letter even if there isn't a for sale sign. I think that is better than a call for a couple of reasons. One, you are unlikely to get the owner if you call the park and also I think people react better when they have time to think about an inquiry and they have longer to think about it if they get a letter than if they get a call.
k&aj07
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libertyag,

Would you be willing to email me. I have a couple questions in regards to potential purchase on RV park. Thanks
libertyag
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k&aj07 said:

libertyag,

Would you be willing to email me at john_sea1@yahoo.com I have a couple questions in regards to potential purchase on RV park. Thanks
Will do.
I Drink Your Milkshake
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I Drink Your Milkshake
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Don't know what happened with my previous post, however the link below is a good listing of RV parks for sale in Texas.

Texas RV parks for sale
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