DGAZ and DTO

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Shiner Bock
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haven't entered in UGAZ yet. weather forecasts look really warm next week across majority of US. Will watch for an entry sometime next week.
Thomas Sowell, PhD
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Down 9 % at open
ChoppinDs40
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just hold on?
Ragoo
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problem with these etns is that the have natural decay. without wild swings in the underlying index they are all trending toward zero. You should never "hold" them too long.
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haven't entered in UGAZ yet. weather forecasts look really warm next week across majority of US. Will watch for an entry sometime next week.

today could be the entry?
ChoppinDs40
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problem with these etns is that the have natural decay. without wild swings in the underlying index they are all trending toward zero. You should never "hold" them too long.
i mean... hold onto the next winter storm is announced... I'm in at $9.10 so I would feel comfortable exiting at $11.
Ragoo
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what makes you think $11 is coming? it may get down to $6 through decay before the next winter storm and it spikes to $8.
Shiner Bock
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I think the data will be very weak this week. Personally think it keeps going down this week. Models over 6 day time frame continue to look warm. Late December/January models however look interesting and prime for a arctic blast.

6-day
http://weather.unisys.com/ecmwf/index.php
ChoppinDs40
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what makes you think $11 is coming? it may get down to $6 through decay before the next winter storm and it spikes to $8.
i dunno, i just hopped on the bandwagon with everyone else last week
Thomas Sowell, PhD
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I bought at 8.95 Thursday. Got excited Friday while up 9%. Sold this morning breaking even at 8.97
I'm going to watch & wait.
JeffHamilton82
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So Arson has bought so I know tomorrow is the day to buy and I should be able to get it for $8.50.
jk. Love your guts!
I posted the above last Wednesday, in jest to Arson who I greatly respect. I know it finished below $8.50 today. I want to make clear that I am NOT buying and holding UGAZ at $8.50. I day trade stuff, meaning I'm literally in and out the same day. As noted these 3x etfs have tremendous decay so rarely do I hold them for more than a day; until they bottom out and change direction. I DO NOT try and catch a falling knife. I got more than enough cuts in my younger years to do that anymore. As someone posted today, this etf could go to $6 before it goes to $11. Daytrading, I will jump in and out of stuff, but I'm not buying this etf at $8.40 today and betting it hits $11 by the middle of next week.

Right now the bears are ruling the energy markets. My experience is the price always goes too far in one direction before it snaps back. Natty is kind of being run over by the oil bears, so I will not be surprised to see natty hit $3.40. I'm not saying that it will. I'm saying I'm not taking the risk that today was the bottom because this has been the bottom for most of the year now.

Please don't put money into these things that you wouldn't be willing to gamble in Vegas with. Short term trading can eat your lunch!
Thomas Sowell, PhD
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First off, I offer zero expertise with natural gas prices. I found the below article troubling concerning how UGAZ might be affected. I do wonder if DGAZ would make more sense now but I'm not willing to back up my thoughts with money at this time.

I got in UGAZ Thursday and got excited Friday. Today I jumped out when I had to chance to break even.

Best of luck to everyone.


http://www.futuresmag.com/2014/12/04/thats-a-lot-of-gas
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I think the data will be very weak this week. Personally think it keeps going down this week. Models over 6 day time frame continue to look warm. Late December/January models however look interesting and prime for a arctic blast.
What makes you think near term forecasts aren't already priced in? You're trading futures.

Report is for the previous week's draw-down. We know this week's report will be lighter than normal as mild temps. covered S. and E. coast last week.

Tested $3.60 twice yesterday and it held. I think the floor has been found. I sold the remainder of my $2.70 DGAZ yesterday and after a lot of averaging, scalped my UGAZ for a small profit on Friday.
Thomas Sowell, PhD
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/determine-natural-gas-prices-winter-170042237.html?.tsrc=applewf
ChoppinDs40
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UGAZ just popped over $9.
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Japan's weather bureau just officially declared an El Nino weather pattern. I'll be looking to scale into DGAZ on any NG pops.
RangerRick9211
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Here's the actual announcement not hyped my media:
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  • El Nio conditions are present in the equatorial Pacific, although the atmospheric conditions does not indicate clear features of El Nio events.
  • It is likely that El Nio conditions will continue through winter.
  • A weak El Nio event is considered to have persisted since the Northern Hemisphere summer.

http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/elnino/outlook.html

I won't be touching DGAZ sub $4 NG until March.
moses1084ever
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If it walks like a duck....

The brutally cold winter that was expected is currently defying models. Regardless if it's El Nino or El Nino Piqueno, I still see it as increasingly bearish.
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Been keeping up with this thread for a while and appreciate all the insight. Bought UGAZ at $8.85 last week and sold at $9.04 this morning.

I need a neck brace if I'm going to keep playing this game!
ChoppinDs40
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i follow DTO as well.. is there a double ETN following oil that isn't a short?
GarlandAg2012
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DWTI and UWTI are triples I believe.
Dr. Faustus
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Dumped UGAZ at 9.20 this morning.
JeffHamilton82
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Here is a site with 2x and 3x etfs
http://www.3xetf.com/
RangerRick9211
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$3.89
fightintxag13
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Sold off this morning at $9.75. Not what I originally hoped for when I got in, but a nice little pickup nonetheless.
Shiner Bock
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i keep holding off on an entry, but $7.50 UGAZ might be a must enter
ChoppinDs40
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bought DWTI at 97 2 days ago and just sold at 107, traveling for work and didn't notice it opened at 115 today, ugh
Dr. Faustus
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Got back into UGAZ at 8.20. Supposed to be multiple winter storms rolling into the US through Christmas.
ChoppinDs40
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Got back into UGAZ at 8.20. Supposed to be multiple winter storms rolling into the US through Christmas.
same, got in at 8.30, hoping it can get to $9 by end of the week
Thomas Sowell, PhD
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Put in a large (for me) order unsuccessfully at 8.10
RangerRick9211
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Stocks were 6 Bcf higher than last year at this time and 258 Bcf below the 5-year average of 3,553 Bcf.
No more deficit relative to last year.
JeffHamilton82
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Got back into UGAZ at 8.20. Supposed to be multiple winter storms rolling into the US through Christmas.
same, got in at 8.30, hoping it can get to $9 by end of the week

You could have sold for over $9 this morning
ChoppinDs40
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Got back into UGAZ at 8.20. Supposed to be multiple winter storms rolling into the US through Christmas.
same, got in at 8.30, hoping it can get to $9 by end of the week

You could have sold for over $9 this morning
it's popping up now, will see if it rebounds here by lunch
Shiner Bock
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longterm models are getting colder and colder. Buy order @ 8.14
JeffHamilton82
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So it went above your target and you did not sell it? Greed kills. Good luck!
 
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