5200Acres or any others who have an opinion...

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RightWingConspirator
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I'm sitting on about $75,000 in gold and silver, but most of it, call it $72000, is in gold coins and gold bullion. I have a cost basis on this gold of about $1023/oz. I've been buying from about 2008 and adding to it about 10 oz. at a time. I'm considering dumping all of it and rolling the money into a $275,000 home I'm purchasing when I move back to Houston this weekend from California. Interest rates have have moved against me, which makes me wonder what rising interest rates will do to precious metals. I'm wondering if rolling these monies into my mortgage as a down payment and financing only $100,000 as opposed to $220,00 makes better sense.

I'm curious to hear your opinion or anyone else's.


Thanks.


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I don't have enough information about your personal financial situation to give you any specific advice. But I will share with you my thoughts that would influence my own decision if I were in your shoes.

First of all, I would remind myself that my personal residence is consumption and not an investment. That is not to say that its residual value upon sale may exceed my purchase price. It is still consumption. I want to make sure my personal income are sufficient to justify that level of consumption.

I also want to have a level of savings. Mine tends to be higher than most because I am always looking to enter in to various ventures or deals (real estate, small businesses, etc). Nonetheless, it is always a good idea to keep a rainy day fund. I would rather not totally deplete my savings and investments just to finance my residence.

It is up to you to strike a balance between consumption and savings. While I may believe maintaining your current exposure to the gold market will yield you the highest return over time, that doesn't necessarily mean it is the right decision for you. Taking some profits now and rolling them into your house so as to lower your mortgage payment may work better for you. After all, one of the reason we make investments is to improve our lifestyles.

Now dealing with your concern with rising interest rates and the price of gold, I am not as concerned as others on theses boards. Others will cite Paul Volker's decision to take rates to 20% and the subsequent collapse of gold in the early 80's as a reason to expect a similar scenario this time. There are several reasons I do not see that scenario repeating itself.

First of all the Fed owns over $1 trillion in mortgage related securities. A rise in mortgage rates to double digits would destroy the remaining value of those securities. That would bankrupt the Fed. Along with breaking the Chinese yuan's peg to the dollar, keeping mortgage rates low and protecting the Fed's balance sheet is one of the primary reasons we have QE2. It is also the reason we will see QE3 if long term rates continue to rise. Always remember that no matter what Bernanke or any other Fed chief says about full employment or inflation, the primary goals of the Fed are to protect the assets of the Fed and protect the big banks.

Nonetheless, Bernake's policies will eventually fail as inflation takes hold and investors demand an inflation component for hold bonds. Looking back at the late 70's and early 80's, interest rates were in the high single digits and low double digits for most of that time. And during that time gold steadily rose. It was only the spike in short term rates above 20% that broke gold. For gold to be broken again, short term rates will have to rise significantly above the inflation rate.

The size of the federal debt along with the fact that most of it is short term really ties the Feds hands in raising short term rates substantially to kill inflation and undermine gold. As short term rates rise, the federal budget deficits explode. Rising rates necessitate further money printing as trillion or multi-trillion dollar budget deficits become the norm. The Fed will jaw-bone about "exit strategies" and rate increases, but they cannot employ the same strategy as Volker did without causing the interest component of the Federal budget to go parabolic. Volker had the benefit of the fact that most of our debt in the early 80's was in 30 year treasuries. That is not the case today as our politicians have us living under the biggest ARM on the planet.

Bottom line, gold is going much higher as the Fed fights to keep rates low. Rising long term rates do not have a significant effect on gold. Housing prices may rise nominally as the Fed continues to reflate but will underperform other asset classes due to supply overhangs.

Feel free to book some profits and use them to cut your mortgage payments to a comfort level.

Congratulations on a successful investment and best of luck in the future.
RightWingConspirator
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5200,

Thank you so much for the wisdom. I wholeheartedly agree that a home is not an investment. It's speculation. While my intention is to one day own my home outright, I don't want to sacrifice "investments" that are making me money. I made that mistake in January where I dumped off 40 oz. of gold at $1063/oz (cost basis $894) only to watch it rise some $300 since.

Your comments speak to me and they make sense.

My thoughts behind putting more down on my home was really only to increase cash flow on a monthly basis and minimize what I have going out. We normally run anywhere from $1500 to $2000 surplus per month out of our checking account after all of our expenses and contributions to 401k (15 percent). The purchase of this home back in Houston is likely going to cut down my "free cash flow" to some $1000 to $1500/mo after all expenses and 401k contributions, which we should be able to handle just fine, but I did wonder whether in this case it made sense to dump metals. As far as rainy day funds, we have substantial cash reserves, and will continue to have a healthy safety net even after I pony up ~$60,000 at closing.

What I'm wondering, however, is at what point does the Fed printing money have the reverse effect they're hoping it will? It seems to me that the more money is printed, the more people are spooked by buying gov't bonds. The more spooked they are, the higher the default risk premium they'll require. Can the government really keep rates low sustainably through quantititative easing?


TAF

[This message has been edited by RightWingConspirator (edited 12/15/2010 5:24p).]
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