***Official Houston Astros 2025-26 Offseason Thread***

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Farmer1906
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Here is what I am thinking.


Paredes + top 5 prospect

for

Duran or Abreu + Hicks (we take on his $)

This gets us our left-handed bat, clears out the corner INF logjam, and gives us a piece to add to the bullpen with a high ceiling.
Ag_07
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Apparently they overplayed their hand with Bregs and didn't think he had a better offer than what they were giving him. They called his bluff and turns out he wasn't bluffing and by the time they reengaged it was too late and that bridge was burned.

Yep...Bend them over and make them overpay.


Farmer1906
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Farmer1906
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I think we need Bo to sign with Philly to send the Red Sox fans into a frenzy. Suarez coming off the board would help too.
Mr.Bond
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Suarez to Boston 5 years 130
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
Mr.Bond
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I hate these opt outs MLB starting to feel like college football with the transfer portal.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
CharleyKerfeld
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Farmer1906 said:



Tucker's looking for some in-season opt outs to sweeten the deal.

Mr.Bond
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agree with CP here
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MaxPower
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Mr.Bond said:

Suarez to Boston 5 years 130
That could be good for us as it both makes them less likely to spend more money on a free agent bat and could make one of their young lefty starters expendable.
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Farmer1906
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Mr.Bond said:

Suarez to Boston 5 years 130

Not the Saurez I was referring to. But that basically takes them out of any more FA.
Farmer1906
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Mr.Bond said:

I hate these opt outs MLB starting to feel like college football with the transfer portal.

You can thank Boras Corp. That is his gameplan now. Seek a long-term deal for absolutely bat**** money and/or years. Get rejected and think a team is getting a deal with this short-term super high AAV with opt outs. Once said player has a good year, he hits the market again chasing that big money deal, but it can be one-two years shorter now that they've already banked a big year or two.
Farmer1906
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Does Framber get more than Ranger? On paper, he should get what Fried got. That clearly isn't going to happen.
EastCoastAgNc
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If he turns that down, he's an idiot
Mr. Awesome Time
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If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.
MaxPower
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Duran. Less control but more valuable overall.
AggiEE
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Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package
Farmer1906
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AggiEE said:

Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package


I think y'all have overvaluing what the Astros can offer.
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the opt outs should be for the team -- not the player

the team is the party taking the big risk on mega-deals
AggiEE
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Farmer1906 said:

AggiEE said:

Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package


I think y'all have overvaluing what the Astros can offer.



Offering an all star caliber 3B with 30+ HR potential in Fenway for a worse player (Abreu) that may only be a platoon option + a pitching prospect is not overvaluing Paredes

Paredes makes the Red Sox and/or Astros better for 2026 and 2027

Only reason it makes sense to trade him is for lesser value pieces spread out over a longer duration. But it certainly makes the Astros worse in the next two years. It can still make sense for the Astros if they feel that the log jam is going to cause lack of playing time and we need more lefty hitters

But trading Paredes isn't going to suddenly make me think that move is going to magically elevate the Astros in the next two years

Winning now has value too

agproducer
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AggiEE said:

Farmer1906 said:

AggiEE said:

Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package


I think y'all have overvaluing what the Astros can offer.



Offering an all star caliber 3B with 30+ HR potential in Fenway for a worse player (Abreu) that may only be a platoon option + a pitching prospect is not overvaluing Paredes

Paredes makes the Red Sox and/or Astros better for 2026 and 2027

Only reason it makes sense to trade him is for lesser value pieces spread out over a longer duration. But it certainly makes the Astros worse in the next two years. It can still make sense for the Astros if they feel that the log jam is going to cause lack of playing time and we need more lefty hitters

But trading Paredes isn't going to suddenly make me think that move is going to magically elevate the Astros in the next two years

Winning now has value too



Worse player? I'm not so sure on that.

Abreu has fewer PAs, but better avg, slg, OPS and OPS+.

Paredes has a HR rate of 1 for every 24 PAs. Abreu's HR rate is the same. Plus, Abreu has two GGs.

Severian the Torturer
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Don't really want Abreu, he is almost as futile against lefties as Sanchez. He's hit a total of 2 HR's in 110 games against lefties, with an ops of .587 in his career.

We already have one of those.
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agproducer said:

AggiEE said:

Farmer1906 said:

AggiEE said:

Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package


I think y'all have overvaluing what the Astros can offer.



Offering an all star caliber 3B with 30+ HR potential in Fenway for a worse player (Abreu) that may only be a platoon option + a pitching prospect is not overvaluing Paredes

Paredes makes the Red Sox and/or Astros better for 2026 and 2027

Only reason it makes sense to trade him is for lesser value pieces spread out over a longer duration. But it certainly makes the Astros worse in the next two years. It can still make sense for the Astros if they feel that the log jam is going to cause lack of playing time and we need more lefty hitters

But trading Paredes isn't going to suddenly make me think that move is going to magically elevate the Astros in the next two years

Winning now has value too



Worse player? I'm not so sure on that.

Abreu has fewer PAs, but better avg, slg, OPS and OPS+.

Paredes has a HR rate of 1 for every 24 PAs. Abreu's HR rate is the same. Plus, Abreu has two GGs.



If you scale Abreu's #s up to the same # of PAs Paredes has, he would have basically the same # of HR and significantly more hits and RBIs.
AggiEE
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agproducer said:

AggiEE said:

Farmer1906 said:

AggiEE said:

Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package


I think y'all have overvaluing what the Astros can offer.



Offering an all star caliber 3B with 30+ HR potential in Fenway for a worse player (Abreu) that may only be a platoon option + a pitching prospect is not overvaluing Paredes

Paredes makes the Red Sox and/or Astros better for 2026 and 2027

Only reason it makes sense to trade him is for lesser value pieces spread out over a longer duration. But it certainly makes the Astros worse in the next two years. It can still make sense for the Astros if they feel that the log jam is going to cause lack of playing time and we need more lefty hitters

But trading Paredes isn't going to suddenly make me think that move is going to magically elevate the Astros in the next two years

Winning now has value too



Worse player? I'm not so sure on that.

Abreu has fewer PAs, but better avg, slg, OPS and OPS+.

Paredes has a HR rate of 1 for every 24 PAs. Abreu's HR rate is the same. Plus, Abreu has two GGs.




Far fewer at bats and Abreu has poor numbers vs lefty pitching
AggiEE
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txags92 said:

agproducer said:

AggiEE said:

Farmer1906 said:

AggiEE said:

Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package


I think y'all have overvaluing what the Astros can offer.



Offering an all star caliber 3B with 30+ HR potential in Fenway for a worse player (Abreu) that may only be a platoon option + a pitching prospect is not overvaluing Paredes

Paredes makes the Red Sox and/or Astros better for 2026 and 2027

Only reason it makes sense to trade him is for lesser value pieces spread out over a longer duration. But it certainly makes the Astros worse in the next two years. It can still make sense for the Astros if they feel that the log jam is going to cause lack of playing time and we need more lefty hitters

But trading Paredes isn't going to suddenly make me think that move is going to magically elevate the Astros in the next two years

Winning now has value too



Worse player? I'm not so sure on that.

Abreu has fewer PAs, but better avg, slg, OPS and OPS+.

Paredes has a HR rate of 1 for every 24 PAs. Abreu's HR rate is the same. Plus, Abreu has two GGs.



If you scale Abreu's #s up to the same # of PAs Paredes has, he would have basically the same # of HR and significantly more hits and RBIs.


Now scale the lefty vs righty numbers (since Paredes plays everyday), and you'll find the flaw in your analysis
agproducer
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That's the point. Who is who? Which player do you want?

Abreu


Paredes



Duran
AggiEE
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Severian the Torturer said:

Don't really want Abreu, he is almost as futile against lefties as Sanchez. He's hit a total of 2 HR's in 110 games against lefties, with an ops of .587 in his career.

We already have one of those.


He's a gold glover in defense, unlike Sanchez. We can also flip Sanchez somewhere else and save his $6.8M

If you get Abreu we need pitching in return as well. I'm not against that deal, but we are worse off in the next two years

txags92
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AggiEE said:

txags92 said:

agproducer said:

AggiEE said:

Farmer1906 said:

AggiEE said:

Mr. Awesome Time said:

If Paredes is headed to Boston, who is the preferred OFer between W. Abreu and Duran? May depend on who else we can potentially get in the deal.


I would prefer a lopsided deal that also includes either Early or Tolle

Abreu has more years and potentially more pop, Duran plays more positions and has better speed but less years

If it comes down to Abreu + Early/Tolle or just Duran alone, I'm going with the Abreu package


I think y'all have overvaluing what the Astros can offer.



Offering an all star caliber 3B with 30+ HR potential in Fenway for a worse player (Abreu) that may only be a platoon option + a pitching prospect is not overvaluing Paredes

Paredes makes the Red Sox and/or Astros better for 2026 and 2027

Only reason it makes sense to trade him is for lesser value pieces spread out over a longer duration. But it certainly makes the Astros worse in the next two years. It can still make sense for the Astros if they feel that the log jam is going to cause lack of playing time and we need more lefty hitters

But trading Paredes isn't going to suddenly make me think that move is going to magically elevate the Astros in the next two years

Winning now has value too



Worse player? I'm not so sure on that.

Abreu has fewer PAs, but better avg, slg, OPS and OPS+.

Paredes has a HR rate of 1 for every 24 PAs. Abreu's HR rate is the same. Plus, Abreu has two GGs.



If you scale Abreu's #s up to the same # of PAs Paredes has, he would have basically the same # of HR and significantly more hits and RBIs.


Now scale the lefty vs righty numbers (since Paredes plays everyday), and you'll find the flaw in your analysis

Yeah, but we never get to face lefties so he will be fine!
agproducer
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From last year, splits are liveable, imo.

Abreu


Paredes

txags92
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agproducer said:

That's the point. Who is who? Which player do you want?



I honestly want to keep Paredes and sell off Walker for a couple of bags of practice balls and a LH 2B prospect. But if we are going to do a deal with Boston, I can see where Abreu has value.
iBrad
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I still favor Paredes for Duran.
Severian the Torturer
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Obviously I would love to exchange Abreu and Sanchez but no one is going to do this without adding a major prospect (like cam smith) and I think Duran is a better get than Abreu.

I think giving up Paredes for Duran is a definite, but giving up Paredes for Abreu doesn't do much for me.

Farmer1906
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iBrad said:

I still favor Paredes for Duran.

My preferences
Option 1 - trade Walker, play Paredes at 1B
Option 2 - trade for Duran
Option 3 - trade for Abreu
Option 4 - keep both
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Farmer1906 said:

iBrad said:

I still favor Paredes for Duran.

My preferences
Option 1 - trade Walker, play Paredes at 1B
Option 2 - trade for Duran
Option 3 - trade for Abreu
Option 4 - keep both


Option 1 likely means we send upwards (maybe $25MM?) of $30MM to cover his $40MM. Actually less I suspect because I don't think we play much next year and how much we send needs to take that into account. I just cannot see Crane admitting to a bad FA $60MM/3 year contract two straight times at the same position.

I would do Option 2 now. Make it happen Cap'n. Straight swap. Maybe we toss in some AA deadwood.

Option 3 I want more back than Abreu. They should send something back. Pick a ML reliever. I'm less a fan of this.

I won't be shocked if we start ST with both. I won't be shocked if we start the season with both.
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