Yeah what does were mean?

The legend of Cooper "Pummel" Hummel continues to grow.



Doubt him at your own peril.

MaxPower said:

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Yeah what does were mean?

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my take is that there were talks on an extension and during that he hired Boras to extract another couple dollars. They are no longer in talks.

It was extremely unlikely even before he hired Boras. They had been in talks for a while but had a good ways to go before agreeing to a number.

I've mentioned a couple times he's going to be really tough to extend.

B-Rabbit said:

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The #Astros and SS Jeremy Peña were deep in contract extension discussions for a deal exceeding $105 million over 5 years, multiple sources tell KPRC 2. pic.twitter.com/o6u37j79op

— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) June 25, 2025

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That seems like a fair deal at this point.

Something like this:
'26 - 8 M (arb buyout)
'27 - 16 M (arb buyout)
'28 - 27 M
'29 - 27 M
'30 - 27 M

B-Rabbit said:

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The #Astros and SS Jeremy Peña were deep in contract extension discussions for a deal exceeding $105 million over 5 years, multiple sources tell KPRC 2. pic.twitter.com/o6u37j79op

— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) June 25, 2025

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Get it done, Crane

My mom hate Enos Cabell

Farmer1906 said:

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B-Rabbit said:

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The #Astros and SS Jeremy Peña were deep in contract extension discussions for a deal exceeding $105 million over 5 years, multiple sources tell KPRC 2. pic.twitter.com/o6u37j79op

— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) June 25, 2025

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That seems like a fair deal at this point.

Something like this:
'26 - 8 M (arb buyout)
'27 - 16 M (arb buyout)
'28 - 27 M
'29 - 27 M
'30 - 27 M

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Boras just sent a memo " half the year, double the money"

Is it crazy of me to think that if Pena was offered the same 11/290 deal that Whit got he'd say no?

Ag_07 said:

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Is it crazy of me to think that if Pena was offered the same 11/290 deal that Whit got he'd say no?

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I wouldn't if I was him. Boras has been solid the last couple years with the contracts he's gotten his client's.

Alexander's tweet uses the word "were" as opposed to "are"

I would advise enjoying the next 3 seasons of JP

I'm gonna be so sad if they don't extend him. We have to sign at least some of our homegrown talent outside of Altuve, Yordan, and LMJ.

Ag_07 said:

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Is it crazy of me to think that if Pena was offered the same 11/290 deal that Whit got he'd say no?

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That kind of deal doesn't make sense for Pena based on their ages and years of control left.

KCR bought out 4 years of control. Witt has an opt out at age 30 which I assume he will exercise. It essentially becomes a 7-year, $ 157M deal or an extension of 3-year, $ 114 M tacked onto his team control.

I do think that 3/114 M (after buyout of 2 arb years) is what Pena should use as leverage against the Astros. Pena isn't Witt so the Astros shouldn't do it, but why not ~80% of that? That is why the 5/105+ type deal makes sense.

Farmer1906 said:

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B-Rabbit said:

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The #Astros and SS Jeremy Peña were deep in contract extension discussions for a deal exceeding $105 million over 5 years, multiple sources tell KPRC 2. pic.twitter.com/o6u37j79op

— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) June 25, 2025

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That seems like a fair deal at this point.

Something like this:
'26 - 8 M (arb buyout)
'27 - 16 M (arb buyout)
'28 - 27 M
'29 - 27 M
'30 - 27 M

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Make it 7, up it to 30 M in '28 & '29, drop it the last 3 years by a little. (I don't know what the new total is in my proposal)

Hopefully a team really wants to trade for JP before the 2027 season like the Cubs did with Tucker.

B-Rabbit said:

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The #Astros and SS Jeremy Peña were deep in contract extension discussions for a deal exceeding $105 million over 5 years, multiple sources tell KPRC 2. pic.twitter.com/o6u37j79op

— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) June 25, 2025

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Were or are??

I wonder what someone like Boras advices in Jeremy's position. Wait another year and bet on reproducing this high output to force the numbers up into Tucker levels?

Farmer1906 said:

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B-Rabbit said:

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The #Astros and SS Jeremy Peña were deep in contract extension discussions for a deal exceeding $105 million over 5 years, multiple sources tell KPRC 2. pic.twitter.com/o6u37j79op

— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) June 25, 2025

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That seems like a fair deal at this point.

Something like this:
'26 - 8 M (arb buyout)
'27 - 16 M (arb buyout)
'28 - 27 M
'29 - 27 M
'30 - 27 M

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Well his price is going up. You have to weigh pros and cons for extensions. Had we been willing to do this deal before the season (aka before he proved he could be a well above average hitter) then it may get done. If I'm him right now I wouldn't sign that deal. It may be a reasonable estimate of his arbitration years but why am I giving up 3 free agent years for $81M?

I suspect $150M is the minimum it will take. Bregman got $100M with one more extra year of arbitration left and prices have gone up. Before you say Pena isn't Bregman, they actually have very similar WARs through 3.5 seasons (and Peña's game is less dependent on the whims of Manfred's ball selection).

I'm personally hesitant to give him that money. His offense screams career year. It's the opposite of signing him preseason. We are now buying high rather than buying low.

#Astros GM Dana Brown recently said it would be nice to acquire a left-handed bat.

Do the #Astros take a look at Jason Heyward again?pic.twitter.com/VHBlllreLf https://t.co/6PoG3EqNOi

— Full Seam Ahead (@FullSeamAhead) June 25, 2025

Any thoughts on bringing back J-Hey?

No. He's washed

Dana came from an organization that is known for locking up their young stars at reasonable contracts before they hit arbitration… Why has that mentality stopped once he got here?

agproducer said:

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#Astros GM Dana Brown recently said it would be nice to acquire a left-handed bat.

Do the #Astros take a look at Jason Heyward again?pic.twitter.com/VHBlllreLf https://t.co/6PoG3EqNOi

— Full Seam Ahead (@FullSeamAhead) June 25, 2025

Any thoughts on bringing back J-Hey?

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The golden era of Astros baseball with Jason Heyward in left and Mauricio Dubon in center.

wehnerhigh20 said:

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I'm gonna be so sad if they don't extend him. We have to sign at least some of our homegrown talent outside of Altuve, Yordan, and LMJ.

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I don't think those guys tested the market. We got deals done early and they weren't holding us for ransom. Meanwhile Springer, Cole, Correa, Bregs, JV, went elsewhere.

A lot of it is the players aren't as willing to do it.

Or we don't have the right players to do it with. This board would have lost their damn kinds of we extended Brown before last year or if we extended Yainer now.

Scott Boras doesnt strike me as the kind of guy who would be in favor of that.

The Original Houston 1836 said:

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My mom hate Enos Cabell

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Ok - sorry to hear that. What the hell does that have to do with his career year in 1978?

BCEDAg said:

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The Original Houston 1836 said:

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My mom hate Enos Cabell

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Ok - sorry to hear that. What the hell does that have to do with his career year in 1978?

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It's my standard reaction to hearing Enos Cabell's name. My mom hasn't forgiven him for swinging at Ball 4 to end the 1980 NLCS.

Farmer1906 said:

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Or we don't have the right players to do it with. This board would have lost their damn kinds of we extended Brown before last year or if we extended Yainer now.

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tjack16 said:

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Dana came from an organization that is known for locking up their young stars at reasonable contracts before they hit arbitration… Why has that mentality stopped once he got here?

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It takes two to tango

n_touch said:

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B-Rabbit said:

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The #Astros and SS Jeremy Peña were deep in contract extension discussions for a deal exceeding $105 million over 5 years, multiple sources tell KPRC 2. pic.twitter.com/o6u37j79op

— Ari Alexander (@AriA1exander) June 25, 2025

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*were

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Before or after he signed with Boras?

tjack16 said:

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Dana came from an organization that is known for locking up their young stars at reasonable contracts before they hit arbitration… Why has that mentality stopped once he got here?

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some of those Braves extensions looked good after the first and second years

but now not so much (Albies, Harris, Murphy, et al)

with the exception of Acuna, they ultimately extended a lot of average to slightly above average players...however not great players

(and of course Acuna is very injury prone)

n_touch said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Is it crazy of me to think that if Pena was offered the same 11/290 deal that Whit got he'd say no?

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I wouldn't if I was him. Boras has been solid the last couple years with the contracts he's gotten his client's.

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Which contracts? Extensions or free agent contracts?

Some recent free agent "wiffs" include the well known "Boras Four" of Cody Bellinger, Matt Chapman, Blake Snell, and Jordan Montgomery. Then there's Alex Bregman.

Boras did negotiate extensions for both Altuve and McCullers. I assume both of those contracts are considered solid?

Huntger Brown might get what he wants when he hits free agency. I'm not so sure about Pena.

The White Sox might suck on the field, but their organization was legit bad-ass on Tuesday - identifying a 22-year-old fan who yelled something hateful at Arizona's Ketel Marte about his late mother, who died in a car wreck in 2017.
The White Sox found the fan, banned him for life from attending games in Chicago, and then MLB dropped the big hammer and banned him all MLB games period.

Video shows Arizona manager Tony Lovullo being the best class act around.

Sending love to Ketel Marte who was in tears on the field after a fan yelled something at him about his mother, who passed away in a car accident in 2017, per @CDrottar19 pic.twitter.com/I14Zc1gkV1

— Jomboy Media (@JomboyMedia) June 25, 2025

trash fan culture