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Seems deeper than just money.
I also think he is trying to stuff two competing wants into the same deal. He wants a long term guaranteed deal because he probably understands better than anybody that he is on the back side of his prime years and doesn't want to be scuffling for a job 3-4 years from now. But he is also getting his feelings hurt because the teams willing to offer him those long term deals are asking him to do it at a pay cut from the last year of his previous contract. He wants a pay raise AND guaranteed money out to 6+ years. But he is only going to get one or the other.Ag_07 said:Quote:
Seems deeper than just money.
It rarely is
He just wants the biggest pay day possible. Only problem is that right now it looks like that's coming from places he doesn't wanna play (TOR and DET).
Boras is trying to drum up any kind of leverage to get HOU or BOS to blink.
Then what are we doing? Unlike most teams we actually have a starting rotation full of young players with lots of potential and contract control. Any competent GM should be able to build the next run around that.Farmer1906 said:
We aren't positioned to go on a long run of excellence. We're at the end of the window. Dana has done a good job of making the final window '25-'27 and not just end in '25 like we were positioned to before this offseason.
BOS isn't and hasn't ever been in on him for anything close to what he wants or what HOU offered. They will only be involved if it's short-term. It looks like they realize it ain't happening and looking at Arenado anyway.Ag_07 said:Quote:
Seems deeper than just money.
It rarely is
He just wants the biggest pay day possible. Only problem is that right now it looks like that's coming from places he doesn't wanna play (TOR and DET).
Boras is trying to drum up any kind of leverage to get HOU or BOS to blink.
I am not fully understanding what you're getting at. Should we be adding? subtracting?AgLA06 said:Then what are we doing? Unlike most teams we actually have a starting rotation full of young players with lots of potential and contract control. Any competent GM should be able to build the next run around that.Farmer1906 said:
We aren't positioned to go on a long run of excellence. We're at the end of the window. Dana has done a good job of making the final window '25-'27 and not just end in '25 like we were positioned to before this offseason.
Instead it appears we'd rather just assume we'll win a bad division before getting tossed early to appease the average fan and ride the coattails of nestalgia instead of rebuilding to run it back.
I think that would drive Alex absolutely insane. He's got baseball OCD.W said:
one data point...
Kris Bryant -- Boras client -- did not sign his mega-contract with the Rockies until March 16th
the Bregman drama may go on for many more weeks
1. Ballpark at Union StationMr.Bond said:All I do is Nguyen said:So why not Enron fieldMr.Bond said:
It'll be MMP to me regardless.
Same as miller park, SafeCo Field, AT&T park etc. Regardless of the new names I still refer to those parks as the OG names
Because it was enron for 15 minutes
Farmer1906 said:I am not fully understanding what you're getting at. Should we be adding? subtracting?AgLA06 said:Then what are we doing? Unlike most teams we actually have a starting rotation full of young players with lots of potential and contract control. Any competent GM should be able to build the next run around that.Farmer1906 said:
We aren't positioned to go on a long run of excellence. We're at the end of the window. Dana has done a good job of making the final window '25-'27 and not just end in '25 like we were positioned to before this offseason.
Instead it appears we'd rather just assume we'll win a bad division before getting tossed early to appease the average fan and ride the coattails of nestalgia instead of rebuilding to run it back.
It's too late to do much else this year unless we go the trade route. Hopefully they use the smart deals they've done this offseason as a springboard moving forward.Farmer1906 said:I am not fully understanding what you're getting at. Should we be adding? subtracting?AgLA06 said:Then what are we doing? Unlike most teams we actually have a starting rotation full of young players with lots of potential and contract control. Any competent GM should be able to build the next run around that.Farmer1906 said:
We aren't positioned to go on a long run of excellence. We're at the end of the window. Dana has done a good job of making the final window '25-'27 and not just end in '25 like we were positioned to before this offseason.
Instead it appears we'd rather just assume we'll win a bad division before getting tossed early to appease the average fan and ride the coattails of nestalgia instead of rebuilding to run it back.
I will never think of Enron and the Astros without immediately referring to it as Ten Run Field in my mind.RED AG 98 said:1. Ballpark at Union StationMr.Bond said:All I do is Nguyen said:So why not Enron fieldMr.Bond said:
It'll be MMP to me regardless.
Same as miller park, SafeCo Field, AT&T park etc. Regardless of the new names I still refer to those parks as the OG names
Because it was enron for 15 minutes
2. MMP
<<significant gap>>
10. Enron
<<ginormous, gaping hole>>
1000. Daikon...
Besides Framber our rotation is locked up for the next few years. not to mention with Abrue, Montero, and Framber off the books next year they will have money to spend.AgLA06 said:It's too late to do much else this year unless we go the trade route. Hopefully they use the smart deals they've done this offseason as a springboard moving forward.Farmer1906 said:I am not fully understanding what you're getting at. Should we be adding? subtracting?AgLA06 said:Then what are we doing? Unlike most teams we actually have a starting rotation full of young players with lots of potential and contract control. Any competent GM should be able to build the next run around that.Farmer1906 said:
We aren't positioned to go on a long run of excellence. We're at the end of the window. Dana has done a good job of making the final window '25-'27 and not just end in '25 like we were positioned to before this offseason.
Instead it appears we'd rather just assume we'll win a bad division before getting tossed early to appease the average fan and ride the coattails of nestalgia instead of rebuilding to run it back.
We should be pull the Bregman deal to avoid locking up a sizable chunk of payroll on a guy past his prime. Start putting a strategy together this year for the trade dead line and FA after the season to lock up our rotation. Then add some more younger proven players or mid career guys to put ourselves in a position to win it all again in 2027 and on.
Seems to me he's interested in being unemployed at this raten_touch said:Does he even have interest in one of that length? I think there was one of those on the table for a while now....EastCoastAgNc said:Free agent third baseman Alex Bregman still has no interest in a short-term contract and seeks a 6- or 7-year deal.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 6, 2025
If I owned the Astros, every Tuesday would be $1 Smoked Sausage on White Bread Day. pic.twitter.com/RRuAC39zqT
— Tony Adams (@adams_at) February 6, 2025
That hilarious. He has a 6 year offer on the table. It aint the years Bob.EastCoastAgNc said:Free agent third baseman Alex Bregman still has no interest in a short-term contract and seeks a 6- or 7-year deal.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 6, 2025
I am thinking this is the outcome for Breggy.Farmer1906 said:
Blue Jays lost out of Pete. Bregman is the last impact player. They have shown interest in Bregman already. Boras is trying to get one last big offer from them and leverage it against us. Will it work? Probably not. At that point, Bregman will either have to accept Toronto, take less from us, or find a short-term deal with Chicago.
I think he's trying to squeeze either an extra year out of Toronto or an acceptable amount of AAV over what the Astros offer to make it worth his while to go north. I don't think the short term deal is realistic, it would be a very bad idea for him.Beat40 said:I am thinking this is the outcome for Breggy.Farmer1906 said:
Blue Jays lost out of Pete. Bregman is the last impact player. They have shown interest in Bregman already. Boras is trying to get one last big offer from them and leverage it against us. Will it work? Probably not. At that point, Bregman will either have to accept Toronto, take less from us, or find a short-term deal with Chicago.
Short term in Chicago is hilarious. He is a similar player to Paredes and we saw how well he hit there.Farmer1906 said:
Blue Jays lost out of Pete. Bregman is the last impact player. They have shown interest in Bregman already. Boras is trying to get one last big offer from them and leverage it against us. Will it work? Probably not. At that point, Bregman will either have to accept Toronto, take less from us, or find a short-term deal with Chicago.
Add Greinke ($12.5M) and Pressly ($5.5M) to those 3, and that's $67M freed up after 2025.AustinCountyAg said:Besides Framber our rotation is locked up for the next few years. not to mention with Abrue, Montero, and Framber off the books next year they will have money to spend.AgLA06 said:It's too late to do much else this year unless we go the trade route. Hopefully they use the smart deals they've done this offseason as a springboard moving forward.Farmer1906 said:I am not fully understanding what you're getting at. Should we be adding? subtracting?AgLA06 said:Then what are we doing? Unlike most teams we actually have a starting rotation full of young players with lots of potential and contract control. Any competent GM should be able to build the next run around that.Farmer1906 said:
We aren't positioned to go on a long run of excellence. We're at the end of the window. Dana has done a good job of making the final window '25-'27 and not just end in '25 like we were positioned to before this offseason.
Instead it appears we'd rather just assume we'll win a bad division before getting tossed early to appease the average fan and ride the coattails of nestalgia instead of rebuilding to run it back.
We should be pull the Bregman deal to avoid locking up a sizable chunk of payroll on a guy past his prime. Start putting a strategy together this year for the trade dead line and FA after the season to lock up our rotation. Then add some more younger proven players or mid career guys to put ourselves in a position to win it all again in 2027 and on.
😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/dw5nsO52Yt
— Kent Murphy (@KentMurphy) February 6, 2025
Scott Boras: "Anyone wanna give Alex Bregman a 6 year deal?"
— Andy (@Behind_The_Ivy) February 6, 2025
Blue Jays: "We'll do it."
Boras: "Anyone? Anyone at all wanna give him 6 years?" https://t.co/Y0u3Q3Y31n
only a couple weeks til position players report for spring training pic.twitter.com/1wjDZqD2N7
— astrosmemes (@astrosmemes_) February 6, 2025
EastCoastAgNc said:Scott Boras: "Anyone wanna give Alex Bregman a 6 year deal?"
— Andy (@Behind_The_Ivy) February 6, 2025
Blue Jays: "We'll do it."
Boras: "Anyone? Anyone at all wanna give him 6 years?" https://t.co/Y0u3Q3Y31n
Beat40 said:I am thinking this is the outcome for Breggy.Farmer1906 said:
Blue Jays lost out of Pete. Bregman is the last impact player. They have shown interest in Bregman already. Boras is trying to get one last big offer from them and leverage it against us. Will it work? Probably not. At that point, Bregman will either have to accept Toronto, take less from us, or find a short-term deal with Chicago.
It's a joke. Lighten up Francis.Mathguy64 said:EastCoastAgNc said:Scott Boras: "Anyone wanna give Alex Bregman a 6 year deal?"
— Andy (@Behind_The_Ivy) February 6, 2025
Blue Jays: "We'll do it."
Boras: "Anyone? Anyone at all wanna give him 6 years?" https://t.co/Y0u3Q3Y31n
Again, this is nonsense for a tweet. He's got a 6 year offer. He wants a BIGGER one.
This crap is idiotic.
He is wanting to go somewhere to show off his power and that he does not need the short porch. He also been told by his agent that going to the windy city will be helpful in making his standard infield pop up turn into a shallow outfield pop up, again this will show off his power.JYDog90 said:Beat40 said:I am thinking this is the outcome for Breggy.Farmer1906 said:
Blue Jays lost out of Pete. Bregman is the last impact player. They have shown interest in Bregman already. Boras is trying to get one last big offer from them and leverage it against us. Will it work? Probably not. At that point, Bregman will either have to accept Toronto, take less from us, or find a short-term deal with Chicago.
But don't you think he'd be more prone to take a short term deal with a team with a short LF porch?
EastCoastAgNc said:It's a joke. Lighten up Francis.Mathguy64 said:EastCoastAgNc said:Scott Boras: "Anyone wanna give Alex Bregman a 6 year deal?"
— Andy (@Behind_The_Ivy) February 6, 2025
Blue Jays: "We'll do it."
Boras: "Anyone? Anyone at all wanna give him 6 years?" https://t.co/Y0u3Q3Y31n
Again, this is nonsense for a tweet. He's got a 6 year offer. He wants a BIGGER one.
This crap is idiotic.
RED AG 98 said:1. Ballpark at Union StationMr.Bond said:All I do is Nguyen said:So why not Enron fieldMr.Bond said:
It'll be MMP to me regardless.
Same as miller park, SafeCo Field, AT&T park etc. Regardless of the new names I still refer to those parks as the OG names
Because it was enron for 15 minutes
2. MMP
<<significant gap>>
10. Enron
<<ginormous, gaping hole>>
1000. Daikon...
n_touch said:He is wanting to go somewhere to show off his power and that he does not need the short porch. He also been told by his agent that going to the windy city will be helpful in making his standard infield pop up turn into a shallow outfield pop up, again this will show off his power.JYDog90 said:Beat40 said:I am thinking this is the outcome for Breggy.Farmer1906 said:
Blue Jays lost out of Pete. Bregman is the last impact player. They have shown interest in Bregman already. Boras is trying to get one last big offer from them and leverage it against us. Will it work? Probably not. At that point, Bregman will either have to accept Toronto, take less from us, or find a short-term deal with Chicago.
But don't you think he'd be more prone to take a short term deal with a team with a short LF porch?
I don't think he wants a short term deal with a team that has a short LF porch or wall. If that was his goal, I think a deal with the Astros or the RedSox would be already complete.JYDog90 said:Beat40 said:I am thinking this is the outcome for Breggy.Farmer1906 said:
Blue Jays lost out of Pete. Bregman is the last impact player. They have shown interest in Bregman already. Boras is trying to get one last big offer from them and leverage it against us. Will it work? Probably not. At that point, Bregman will either have to accept Toronto, take less from us, or find a short-term deal with Chicago.
But don't you think he'd be more prone to take a short term deal with a team with a short LF porch?
