***** 2024 Houston Astros Season Thread ***** [Staff Warning]

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Fangraphs ranked the prospects traded at the deadline (this isn't a critique of our trades, which I hope pan out fantastically for us).

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ranking-the-prospects-traded-at-the-2024-deadline/

No. 4 - Bloss
No. 40 - $750k Int. Pool Space (chuckle)
No. 56 - Wagner
No. 78 - Austin

Loperfido was considered a MLB player so not listed, but in the trade analysis they have him with a 45 FV grade, which would slot him in at the Nos. 8-11 range for prospects traded.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/yusei-kikuchi-returns-an-astronomical-haul-for-the-blue-jays/

Edit (adding part of the blog because it was interesting):
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I understand why the Astros need Kikuchi. But based on returns at the past few trade deadlines, Bloss alone was right around what I'd expect the Jays to get for dealing him. Maybe a Wagner-type player or two if the Astros were particularly keen to get the deal done. Loperfido, too? That's a lot of good young players for 2-3 months of a solid-but-not-overwhelming pitcher.

The more I mull this over in my head, the more I think the Astros wanted Kikuchi specifically. If they were calling every team in baseball and saying "We need starting, and we'll offer Jake Bloss plus…" someone would have dealt them an arm in fairly short order. I'd trade some of the starters who haven't yet been moved (Jack Flaherty and Zack Littell spring to mind) for less than this return, and I suspect that their teams might too. This only makes sense to me if the Astros wanted Kikuchi specifically and weren't willing to miss their guy. That's how you end up making an offer that makes analysts across the board go "Whoa, really?"

I think it's worth bumping expectations of Kikuchi up slightly given this context.
When a team wants someone this badly, it surely has a reason. But I also think the Astros front office is a strange mishmash of old and new, and that they're working at cross purposes. The part of the org that sagely selects college pitchers with interesting peripherals and then helps them unlock new heights in their game probably isn't the same part that ships out a mountain of top prospects for two-plus months of a mid-rotation starter. I understand the Astros' motivation in the deal, and yet I still think they gave up too much.


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I will say that apparently Houston has had their eyes on Kikuchi for a while and they're confident they can turn him into a monster with a small tweak. I guess we'll see
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KUCHI
KUCHI
KUCHI





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He could work out at 1B with Singleton and he's basically free again. He's 2 years removed from being pretty dang solid.
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He can probably outhit A. Diaz blindfolded
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EastCoastAgNc said:

He can probably outhit A. Diaz blindfolded
I am pretty sure A Diaz is blindfolded the way he swings at sliders
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texasaggie2015 said:

I will say that apparently Houston has had their eyes on Kikuchi for a while and they're confident they can turn him into a monster with a small tweak. I guess we'll see
looking forward to the upgraded version:

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Kuchi man on the bump tonight!
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texasaggie2015 said:

I will say that apparently Houston has had their eyes on Kikuchi for a while and they're confident they can turn him into a monster with a small tweak. I guess we'll see
Should extend him now then so we don't have to pay cy young prices….
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MaxPower said:

texasaggie2015 said:

I will say that apparently Houston has had their eyes on Kikuchi for a while and they're confident they can turn him into a monster with a small tweak. I guess we'll see
Should extend him now then so we don't have to pay cy young prices….


What incentive does he have to sign now?
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Think you missed the joke
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Unlikely given Boras is his agent, but some players do feel comfortable with certain clubs. This will be his first time playing for a certified contender, maybe that changes how he views the market. *shrug*

I can see Houston trying to resign him. He's not going to get Verlander money. Both of his contracts have been for 3 years, so maybe he's more pragmatic in trying to find his value in the market.
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As mentioned above, aometimes the jokes write themselves. Just like trading Tyler White for A. Scrubb to put in our bullpen, now we picked up Junk off the waiver wire.
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Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
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Incoming meltdown over no Leon in 3....2....
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If anyone is looking to unload four tickets for tonight, let me know. May bring the three kiddos.
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texasaggie2015 said:

Incoming meltdown over no Leon in 3....2....

Jet lagged…
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texasaggie2015 said:

I will say that apparently Houston has had their eyes on Kikuchi for a while and they're confident they can turn him into a monster with a small tweak. I guess we'll see
Any thought on whether part of the trade package was getting Kikuchi to agree to a longer term deal with the Astros?

ETA: By "longer term", I meant more than just the next two months, not a Montero deal.
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texasaggie2015 said:

Incoming meltdown over no Leon in 3....2....

Is he the outfield Grae Kessinger? Break glass in case of emergency only?
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txags92 said:

texasaggie2015 said:

I will say that apparently Houston has had their eyes on Kikuchi for a while and they're confident they can turn him into a monster with a small tweak. I guess we'll see
Any thought on whether part of the trade package was getting Kikuchi to agree to a longer term deal with the Astros?

ETA: By "longer term", I meant more than just the next two months, not a Montero deal.


None, I'd imagine
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modest goal for Kikuchi tonight:

6 innings 3 runs

he is facing a depleted Rays lineup (after the trade deadline)
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linkdude said:

Things to consider.
it's remarkable the amount of money that players from the Cubs' 2016 title team has stolen, er, received from other clubs
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W said:

modest goal for Kikuchi tonight:

6 innings 3 runs

he is facing a depleted Rays lineup (after the trade deadline)


I'll take 5 innings from him if the offense shows up. Anything that allows us to win and not use all 3 leverage arms
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I'm guessing we might see Ferguson out of the pen, as well.
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We better get some grade A top notch Kuchi tonight
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Oh come on...
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the White Sox series would make a soft opening / return for both

Aug 16-17-18
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You're probably going to want a few rehab starts in the minors. I think end of Aug is our best bet.
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I'd imagine Garcia just is out for the season. If he's got soreness now and it's August… he ain't coming back
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tjack16 said:

I'd imagine Garcia just is out for the season. If he's got soreness now and it's August… he ain't coming back


It's going to be fun when he inevitably gets the surgery in November that he could have had this past spring a c ends up missing most of next year too
Fightin' Texas Aggie and Sam Houston State Bearkat
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I'm confused didn't Garcia already get elbow surgery?!
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He was already recovering from TJ...I feel like this is just a slow rehab with a setback. Not sure what you can do from a prevention standpoint. Of course they have tried to get him back ASAP, but I don't have a reason to think the Astros have been negligent here.
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