OG Fat Jack FTW:

Farmer1906 said:

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JDUB08AG said:

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Probably Kershaw, but his durability the past few years impacts this answer. Honestly you could make an argument for all 3.

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Verlander has Kershaw in WAR (by ~6) due to about ~600 more IP. A 2.49 career ERA is just wild. Kershaw has been the worst in the postseason. JV the best and the most Innings.

Scherzer is very close, but I think he's a clear #3 at this point. All 3 are instant first-ballot HOFers 5 years after they retire. It would be fun if they all retire at the same time. That class would be all time.

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It would need to be after this year because Kershaw is cooked.

Mathguy64 said:

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Faustus said:

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Baseball reference has a hall of fame monitor which measures how likely a player is to make the HOF (100 being a good possibility, and 130 a "virtual cinch"). It has scores for current players, and all time. It has Verlander as the top pitcher under this metric.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/hof_monitor.shtml

Pitching Not Yet Eligible
1. Justin Verlander - 240
2. Clayton Kershaw - 211
3. Max Scherzer - 179
4. CC Sabathia - 128
5. Zack Greinke - 117
6. Craig Kimbrel - 117
7. Kenley Jansen - 116
8. Gerrit Cole - 114
9. Jon Lester - 98
10. David Price - 97

Batting Leaders Not Yet Eligible
1. Albert Pujols - 334
2. Miguel Cabrera - 293
3. Ichiro Suzuki - 235
4. Robinson Cano - 181
5. Jose Altuve - 173
6. Yadier Molina - 169
7. Mike Trout - 145
8. Freddie Freeman - 130
9. Nolan Arenado - 122
10. Mookie Betts - 116

If you look at explanation for the scores Altuve has a lot of room to increase that number.

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In what world is David Price a HOF pitcher? And don't even get me started on Kimbrel and Jansen.

And Cano with his 2 PED suspensions ain't even getting a free ticket to visit the museum.

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Less than 100 means less than a good chance. His prime was elite.

2010-16
34.1 WAR
3.12 ERA
3.14 FIP
1.13 WHIP

His career is not dissimilar to Halladay minus about 3 good seasons. He just didn't have the longevity.

If you think Hoffman & Wagner are HOFers then you probably let Kimbrel & Jensen in.

I think there are 3 positions you can take on RPs and the HOF
1. Don't let any in.
2. Only let the Rivera.
3. You let in Hoffman, Smith, Wagner, Kimbrel, Jansen types. The line is somewhere around sub 3 ERA with 400 saves.

100% agree on Cano. But the raw data doesn't show a failed test.

Mr.Bond said:

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Junction Jack top 5 worst mascots of all time

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It's up there with the Ole Miss teddy bear.

Call me a sucker for ****ty mascots but I'd love to get Jack and the orbit rover

Farmer1906 said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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Faustus said:

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Baseball reference has a hall of fame monitor which measures how likely a player is to make the HOF (100 being a good possibility, and 130 a "virtual cinch"). It has scores for current players, and all time. It has Verlander as the top pitcher under this metric.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/hof_monitor.shtml

Pitching Not Yet Eligible
1. Justin Verlander - 240
2. Clayton Kershaw - 211
3. Max Scherzer - 179
4. CC Sabathia - 128
5. Zack Greinke - 117
6. Craig Kimbrel - 117
7. Kenley Jansen - 116
8. Gerrit Cole - 114
9. Jon Lester - 98
10. David Price - 97

Batting Leaders Not Yet Eligible
1. Albert Pujols - 334
2. Miguel Cabrera - 293
3. Ichiro Suzuki - 235
4. Robinson Cano - 181
5. Jose Altuve - 173
6. Yadier Molina - 169
7. Mike Trout - 145
8. Freddie Freeman - 130
9. Nolan Arenado - 122
10. Mookie Betts - 116

If you look at explanation for the scores Altuve has a lot of room to increase that number.

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In what world is David Price a HOF pitcher? And don't even get me started on Kimbrel and Jansen.

And Cano with his 2 PED suspensions ain't even getting a free ticket to visit the museum.

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Less than 100 means less than a good chance. His prime was elite.

2010-16
34.1 WAR
3.12 ERA
3.14 FIP
1.13 WHIP

His career is not dissimilar to Halladay minus about 3 good seasons. He just didn't have the longevity.

If you think Hoffman & Wagner are HOFers then you probably let Kimbrel & Jensen in.

I think there are 3 positions you can take on RPs and the HOF
1. Don't let any in.
2. Only let the Rivera.
3. You let in Hoffman, Smith, Wagner, Kimbrel, Jansen types. The line is somewhere around sub 3 ERA with 400 saves.

100% agree on Cano. But the raw data doesn't show a failed test.

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Their formula needs a negativity factor to account for things like PED usage or in Altuve's case, the few folks who still think he was part of the cheating in 2017. FWIW, I think Cano's PED use will affect his chances much more than the generalized hate from some of the fans against Altuve.

Rodriguez, Bonds, and Rose are top 15 all-time in this metric and aren't in. It doesn't take into account negative extraneous considerations when tabulating the score.

I actually prefer that rather than him ding Altuve some arbitrary number based on how much he thinks the sign stealing matters.

Altuve likely won't be first ballot IMO for that reason though, as unfair as it may seem to us given his lack of participation in the scheme and sustained excellence long thereafter.

Ag_07 said:

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Cano doesn't have any chances

Think about it...If Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are a no go then Robinso Cano has about the same chance as any one of us.

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Yeah, I was going with a never say never approach, but I agree, he ain't getting in.

Faustus said:

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Rodriguez, Bonds, and Rose are top 15 all-time in this metric and aren't in. It doesn't take into account off-field considerations when tabulating the score.

Altuve likely won't be first ballot IMO for that reason, as unfair as it may seem to us given his lack of participation in the scheme and sustained excellence long thereafter.

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I do wonder how much Altuve's repeated skipping of the ASG will affect the voting for him.

txags92 said:

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Faustus said:

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Rodriguez, Bonds, and Rose are top 15 all-time in this metric and aren't in. It doesn't take into account off-field considerations when tabulating the score.

Altuve likely won't be first ballot IMO for that reason, as unfair as it may seem to us given his lack of participation in the scheme and sustained excellence long thereafter.

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I do wonder how much Altuve's repeated skipping of the ASG will affect the voting for him.

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I don't think that will affect it at all. I will say, though I do wonder if people make note of who skips the All-Star game and doesn't vote for them in future All-Star games. Which could affect hall of fame numbers if guys have less all star appearances.

like why should Astros fans vote for him if he won't even go?

We need Tucker back in the worst way, and someone else to get hot. When Singleton is trending as your 6th best hitter for a month...

Is it normal for half a lineup to be .700 OPS or worse? For a "contender?"

Caratini only had 16 PA in July

Season

July

That .171 on balls in play would seem to suggest it

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All I do is Nguyen said:

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Do yall think we can catch the Os for second place? Or are we most likely locked into a WC spot as a division winner?

I hope JV comes back and is more than serviceable along with Kuchi, our rotation wouldn't concern me if we had to go 2/3 games in the WC round then possibly 5 for a spot in the ALCS.

That's honestly my goal this year is to just make it to the ALCS so we can tie the Braves and potentially break it next year. This lineup has been too Jekyll & Hyde to really make a run at a WS

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I think we are going to be locked into the wild card slot. Catching the orioles would require them faltering AND us actually playing about .600 ball the rest of the way. Also you'd still have to hope the Yankees and Red Sox plummet as well since they are also ahead of us

Baltimore is on track for 96 wins. We are on track for 84.

Making up 8.5 games doesn't seem realistic when we're chasing the Yankees and Os. I actually think we'd have a better shot at the Guards slipping up. But then we'd have to jump Twins and Guards.

Okay Trout just needs to hang it up after this. Seriously his body is failing him and he needs to realize it or someone close to him needs to tell him the truth

Me too but he's literally almost never healthy. We can want to see him all we want but his body has other plans. It's like when Dat got drafted I was super excited for him but his neck had other plans

Except we don't get to see any of him.

Can Trout DH with a courtesy runner.

~40% over the last 4 years.

We do still play Baltimore (on the road), which could help or hurt our chances.