iBrad said:

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mwm said:

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I have little to no confidence in Brown anymore. Same for ownership & dugout staff.

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Brown is off to a hell of a start in rebuilding the farm system, which is needed to sustain any kind of future success.

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texasaggie2015 said:

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None (at least very little) of what's happening is because of Dana Brown. Him and Bagwell get a lot of blame from the fans for some reason. And unfortunately a lot of the Houston media is banging that drum too.

Brown brought in a good backup catcher, was the driving force behind Blanco's emergence, picked up Taylor Scott when nobody else wanted him because he saw something there, and so far has seemingly done very well in the draft.

Unfortunately, he can only do so much with Crane running the show. If it was up to him he wouldn't have spent so much on Josh Hader. That was purely a Crane signing.

The JV trade last year was also driven by Jim Crane, but he deferred to Brown on deciding which prospects to include. It's still early but neither Gilbert or Clifford have been necessarily lighting the world on fire. Too early to tell, but it seems he may have had a good read on them.

Dana Brown did go to bat for Espada and was able to convince Crane to get on board. So if that doesn't work out- I suppose some blame can be placed on him.

He's far from perfect but I don't think it's fair to cast judgement just yet. Let's hope Crane lets him do what he needs to do in the coming weeks.

To sum it up… the vast majority of blame should go to Jim Crane. The hard truth though is that a lot of the issues this year stem from injuries. The Astros have had a lot of good fortune over the last several years. This year has been quite the opposite of that.

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Marvin said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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None (at least very little) of what's happening is because of Dana Brown. Him and Bagwell get a lot of blame from the fans for some reason. And unfortunately a lot of the Houston media is banging that drum too.

Brown brought in a good backup catcher, was the driving force behind Blanco's emergence, picked up Taylor Scott when nobody else wanted him because he saw something there, and so far has seemingly done very well in the draft.

Unfortunately, he can only do so much with Crane running the show. If it was up to him he wouldn't have spent so much on Josh Hader. That was purely a Crane signing.

The JV trade last year was also driven by Jim Crane, but he deferred to Brown on deciding which prospects to include. It's still early but neither Gilbert or Clifford have been necessarily lighting the world on fire. Too early to tell, but it seems he may have had a good read on them.

Dana Brown did go to bat for Espada and was able to convince Crane to get on board. So if that doesn't work out- I suppose some blame can be placed on him.

He's far from perfect but I don't think it's fair to cast judgement just yet. Let's hope Crane lets him do what he needs to do in the coming weeks.

To sum it up… the vast majority of blame should go to Jim Crane. The hard truth though is that a lot of the issues this year stem from injuries. The Astros have had a lot of good fortune over the last several years. This year has been quite the opposite of that.

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Agreed, but don't sweep the Espada hire under the rug in any context. Give Dana credit if it turns out good, but any failure SHOULD and RIGHTFULLY be hung around Dana's neck. There's no "some blame" about that one.

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linkdude said:

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Average doesn't mean much without power and on base skills.

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Farmer1906 said:

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linkdude said:

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Average doesn't mean much without power and on base skills.

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6th in slugging%
8th in OPS with runners on

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htxag09 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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linkdude said:

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Average doesn't mean much without power and on base skills.

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6th in slugging%
8th in OPS with runners on

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and 14th in OPS w/ RISP....so I guess as runners get on and advance we just get worse....

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Marvin said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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None (at least very little) of what's happening is because of Dana Brown. Him and Bagwell get a lot of blame from the fans for some reason. And unfortunately a lot of the Houston media is banging that drum too.

Brown brought in a good backup catcher, was the driving force behind Blanco's emergence, picked up Taylor Scott when nobody else wanted him because he saw something there, and so far has seemingly done very well in the draft.

Unfortunately, he can only do so much with Crane running the show. If it was up to him he wouldn't have spent so much on Josh Hader. That was purely a Crane signing.

The JV trade last year was also driven by Jim Crane, but he deferred to Brown on deciding which prospects to include. It's still early but neither Gilbert or Clifford have been necessarily lighting the world on fire. Too early to tell, but it seems he may have had a good read on them.

Dana Brown did go to bat for Espada and was able to convince Crane to get on board. So if that doesn't work out- I suppose some blame can be placed on him.

He's far from perfect but I don't think it's fair to cast judgement just yet. Let's hope Crane lets him do what he needs to do in the coming weeks.

To sum it up… the vast majority of blame should go to Jim Crane. The hard truth though is that a lot of the issues this year stem from injuries. The Astros have had a lot of good fortune over the last several years. This year has been quite the opposite of that.

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Agreed, but don't sweep the Espada hire under the rug in any context. Give Dana credit if it turns out good, but any failure SHOULD and RIGHTFULLY be hung around Dana's neck. There's no "some blame" about that one.

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So your saying this should have been expected with the hire and you expected him to fail and we're calling for hiring someone else? Please quote where you said that in the past. Sometimes you hire the "right" guy and he fails. Heck I don't even really blame Espada, I mean yes the blame falls on him but I honesty think he's just over his head and can't help it. It sucks but it's just what it is. Hopefully he can land somewhere and maybe get another shot down the line somewhere else.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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#1 in team batting avg

#14 in total runs scored.

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texasaggie2015 said:

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Maybe I should have worded that differently I guess. I don't know

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Serviam said:

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hey gents, another hypothetical.

If you could have traded Jose Abreu and Alvarez (zero retained salary) for Bryce Harper (25% retained salary) would you have done it?

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