*****Official 2023-2024 Texas Rangers Off-season Thread*****

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I think you were just watching Disney plus.
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Grapesoda2525 said:

1 more day away from "fake baseball" starting up where actual baseball is played, sometimes on tv, but teams aren't really trying to win games. Still interesting to look at the box scores tho.


Fake baseball is the only way to eventually get real baseball.
Double Talkin' Jive...
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gigem1223 said:

5. Freeman
4. Ohtani
3. Judge
2. Betts
1. Acuna Jr


I think Seager should be above Judge. That's definite coastal and NYY bias coming into play there. No issue with the other 4 there though.
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Chipotlemonger said:

gigem1223 said:

5. Freeman
4. Ohtani
3. Judge
2. Betts
1. Acuna Jr


I think Seager should be above Judge. That's definite coastal and NYY bias coming into play there. No issue with the other 4 there though.
They gotta pimp their mainstay's. NYY and LAD.

Judge is one of the most overrated, league enhanced superstars. He is nothing more than Joey Gallo in pinstripes with all the advantages of an NBA superstar.

There. I said it.
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For some humor:





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DallasAg 94 said:

Chipotlemonger said:

gigem1223 said:

5. Freeman
4. Ohtani
3. Judge
2. Betts
1. Acuna Jr


I think Seager should be above Judge. That's definite coastal and NYY bias coming into play there. No issue with the other 4 there though.
They gotta pimp their mainstay's. NYY and LAD.

Judge is one of the most overrated, league enhanced superstars. He is nothing more than Joey Gallo in pinstripes with all the advantages of an NBA superstar.

There. I said it.
I'm not Judge's biggest fan either, and I also don't think he's a top 5 player in the league (much of that due to constantly being injured), but the guy did hit 62 bombs in 2022, and 37 last year in like 250 less at bats. So is he overrated for what he does in the batters box? Because if that's your take then that's a SPICY take. Or is he overrated because he can't play a full season almost ever and is already 31 years old?
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Not ranger specific but...

World's worst proofreader
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Tksymm7 said:

DallasAg 94 said:

Chipotlemonger said:

gigem1223 said:

5. Freeman
4. Ohtani
3. Judge
2. Betts
1. Acuna Jr


I think Seager should be above Judge. That's definite coastal and NYY bias coming into play there. No issue with the other 4 there though.
They gotta pimp their mainstay's. NYY and LAD.

Judge is one of the most overrated, league enhanced superstars. He is nothing more than Joey Gallo in pinstripes with all the advantages of an NBA superstar.

There. I said it.
I'm not Judge's biggest fan either, and I also don't think he's a top 5 player in the league (much of that due to constantly being injured), but the guy did hit 62 bombs in 2022, and 37 last year in like 250 less at bats. So is he overrated for what he does in the batters box? Because if that's your take then that's a SPICY take. Or is he overrated because he can't play a full season almost ever and is already 31 years old?
I think he is overrated because he is a Yankee, first and foremost. And being a Yankee has its privileges. 2017 was his breakout year. That was the same year that the Astros had their trashcan controversy. Altuve was #1 in MVP. Judge was 2nd.
Judge (2017): .284, 52 HRs, 208 SOs in 155G.
Judge ('18-21): .279, 102 HRs, 483 SOs in 390G. <- That plays to about 42HRs in a 162G season.

Come to find out, MLB called out NYY for '15 and '16 even before the '17 season.

We'll see if he can repeat '22. His numbers were insane - .311, 62 HRs, and 16 SB?!

Oh... and then there was this...
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/12/7/23498096/mlb-different-baseballs-2022-juiced-yankees-aaron-judge

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The Wills and Insider report shows that of the 200 baseball they tested from the 2022 season the majority were from the new "dead" ball stock, which MLB said would be every ball for the season. However, they also found instances of the old "juiced" balls, as well as a third construction which fell into the middle and is being dubbed the "Goldilocks ball," for being the perfect mix of weight and velocity. More alarming is that there appears, at least from the initial data, to show huge inconsistencies in the ball distribution across MLB ballparks.

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Wills and Insider found that 36 Goldilocks balls only appeared in four distinct situations:
[ol]
  • Special commemorative balls used on team anniversaries (6)
  • All-Star week (3)
  • Postseason (14)
  • Yankees games (11)
  • [/ol]

    If MLB, which currently owns the production of baseballs, is using a different baseball for Yankee games, it may not give them an advantage of winning... but it might give someone like Judge an advantage hitting. And his statistics would support such a claim.

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    Nobody had the decency to remind me it was National Margarita Day?!

    Still time left.

    SMDH.
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    If anyone has an opening in their fantasy league, I'm looking for a group that actually pays attention
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    Bring on the fake baseball and each team throwing 9-10 pitchers while Langford homers off guys who will be sacking groceries in 2-3 weeks.
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    Mr Gigem said:

    **** em. Let them disrespect. How'd that turn out last year?


    Aaron Judge at 3 is laughable knowing now he's basically playing on 9 toes the rest of his career. His injury last year will be constant work just to get him out in the field.
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    Let the games begin!

    And in the futile hope of preventing the inevitable wailing and gnashing of teeth, fretting over player performance during spring training, I thought Jeff Wilson absolutely nailed it below.



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    For those monitoring from home, keep one thing in mind: None of what happens, barring an injury, matters one iota.
    Not yet. The first few times through the rotation aren't about results as much as they are about pitchers getting a feel for their pitches and building arm strength. Yes, they want to do well, but their primary concern is making sure the foundation for success is being put down.
    That might mean throwing only fastballs in one outing or throwing their third-best pitch in a full count.
    Even those like Leiter and Duffy, who are competing for a roster spot, get a freebie the first time out.
    The hitters have been in camp less than a week and have seen live pitching only twice. Some will be ahead of the pitchers, but some will be behind. And that's OK, too.
    Just as pitchers are on short leashes early in camp, don't expect starting position players to see more than two or three at-bats. They will be replaced by bench candidates, who will be replaced by just-in-case players from minor-league camp.
    And, just to top it off, Arizona is a difficult place to evaluate players. The air is dry and thin, which affects pitchers' sliders and curveballs. In turn, a hitter might catch a flatter-than-normal breaking ball and knocked for a home run.
    But because the air is thin, it can be hard to tell if he truly got the barrel to the ball.
    Also, the infields are as hard as cement, so balls that hit in front of the plate might bounce over the infielders. The sky is high, and balls lost in the sun might lead to a cheap double and a couple of RBIs.
    Just things to consider whether the Rangers win 15-2 or lose 15-2, and it's going to be that way for a week or two.


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    rbtexan said:

    Let the games begin!

    And in the futile hope of preventing the inevitable wailing and gnashing of teeth, fretting over player performance during spring training, I thought Jeff Wilson absolutely nailed it below.



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    For those monitoring from home, keep one thing in mind: None of what happens, barring an injury, matters one iota.
    Not yet.

    **Edited**

    Even those like Leiter and Duffy, who are competing for a roster spot, get a freebie the first time out.


    **Edited**


    And, just to top it off, Arizona is a difficult place to evaluate players. The air is dry and thin, which affects pitchers' sliders and curveballs.


    I edited down to what I wanted to respond to and I'll respond in reverse.

    Nick Martinez, IIRC was a victim to the dry/thin air. He was emerging as a SP for the Rangers and seemingly fell apart in 2016. He had been developing his 3rd P, but with limited success, he'd be a RP without it. He showed too much of what he had early in the games and by the 3rd time through, they blasted him.

    2015: .262 (1st), .244 (2nd), .352 (3rd)

    2016 was supposed to be a breakout year. He had a terrible Spring Training and the radio broadcast pointed to the air in Arizona and his focus on his breaking stuff as a reason his ST numbers were terrible. The hope was that he had a good feel for it and once they left Arizona he'd have more success. The reality was not kind.

    Here is the concern for guys like Porter and Leiter. They may not get a firm feel for their Slider and Curve. Specifically Leiter, since I think he is a decision year. You are going to evaluate him throwing breaking pitches in an environment you know is difficult.

    We seen Eovaldi, Heaney, Gray... veterans come in and seemingly be fine. The veteran experience would benefit you. Flame throwers are likely less impacted because of reliance on the FB.

    That could signal a benefit to Duffy who is a veteran and may be able to come in to ST with the confidence he can play at the MLB level and just needs to get his work in.

    If Leiter commands his breaking pitches in ST... it might bode well for him AND the Rangers. Having guys like Eovaldi, Heaney, Scherzer, deGrom, Mahle, and Duffy in his ear may help as well.
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    I've followed ST for as long as I can remember, but this season just seems different.

    This is a great watch:

    https://www.mlb.com/rangers/news/owen-white-zak-kent-cole-winn-vying-for-opening-day-spots

    Dunning - Improvements in '23 and on to '24.
    Gray - Iron sharpens Iron. Benefits him watching the more veteran guys and responsibility for younger guys.
    Sborz - "We know the recipe of what worked."

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    Agree with everything you said.

    Reason I posted that quote from Wilson was, every year there's always someone on here who freaks out because pitcher A is getting lit up in spring training, or hitter B is batting .125, or fielder C has made a half dozen errors in 8 games.

    Especially early on (roughly the 1st half of spring training), you can't judge anything or anybody as a fan. Everybody is a work in progress at that point - better to just enjoy having baseball to watch or listen to and don't start worrying about the roster and player performance until the last week or so of March.
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    Oh I agreed with the post by Wilson. It is a good reminder.

    I was trying to point out how it impacted Martinez and my concern with some of the young guys. Not saying it is why the Rangers have not developed SP, but makes you wonder coming out of ST, how some of the young guys might respond mentally.

    You adjusted your breaking stuff for a certain amount of break and now all of a sudden, you're in Round Rock getting a couple more inches. **that's what she said** And need to adjust.
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    https://uni-watch.com/2024/02/23/balls-in-play-mlb-nike-pants-fiasco-hits-hilarious-new-low/?fbclid=IwAR2ZXVR0c168M91jvRtU8Ii0Mt83y0eF9_AIwZbxScZ0-gho1p2RMUPINzc_aem_AVGX4VOKYGF0wCClPfLmziT0M9SzgfTp08quLcW_F0mNh6Ky542VS18KByPKG0GQLe8

    This is ridiculous.
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    https://www.mlb.com/gameday/royals-vs-rangers/2024/02/23/748263/preview

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    Semien 2B - R (32)
    Carter RF - L (21.178d)
    Langford LF - R (22.100d)
    Lowe, N 1B - L (28.231d)
    Taveras CF - S (25.168d)
    Huff C - R (26.040d)
    Duffy, M 3B - R (33)
    Duran, E DH - R (24.277d)
    Smith SS - L (26.200d)

    Langford - Taveras - Carter (avg age 23)
    Duffy - Smith - Semien - Lowe
    Huff

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    I'm surprised Duran isn't as much field work as possible. He could be the opening day starter at either 3b or SS.
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    It's one game
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    I don't disagree, but I think Duran is more proven and likely "on the team."

    As for Duffy and Smith?! It'd be nice to see where they are.
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    Shallow pop up to RF.. what a bust
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    This is 1st Game Spring Training stuff:

    1st
    Semien 2B - 4 PC Walk
    Carter RF - 1 PC Out
    Langford LF - 1 PC Out
    Lowe, N 1B - 1 PC Out

    2nd
    Brentz pitching for KC:
    Taveras CF - 4 PC Walk
    Huff C - 4 PC Walk
    Duffy 3B - 1 P Single
    Duran DH - 4 PC Walk
    Smith SS - 4 PC Walk
    Semien 2B - 3 PC SO: All 3 were looking.
    Ump probably ready to get this game moving along.
    6 batters and only 1 swing of the bat. It was for a 1B.
    4 four-pitch Walks
    4 Strikes; 16 Balls

    Ragans now in to pitch.


    Brentz had TJ in 2022 and pitched 2.1 IP in the minors in 2023 before a season ending Lat sprain. Looking for a RP spot on the KC Royals.
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    Langford's a bust. Send him to the minor league side.

    1 PC F9
    1 PC G4
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    Foscue now at 2B


    Duffy (33) - Smith (26) - Foscue (24.358d) - Lowe (28)

    Get Duran at 3B and with Huff (26)... Pretty nice looking future snapshot.
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    Duffey pitching for KC
    Duffy pitching for Tex
    Duffy at 3B for Tex

    Boxscore had Ragans pitching, but it might have been a mistake.

    BTW: Crim at 1B for Tex
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    • Ornelas at shortstop.
    • Wendzel at third base.

    ETA: Carter, Langford, and Huff are the only position starters still in for the Rangers.
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    Tinoco ain't messing around.

    Struck out the side in 9 PC.
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    Leiter on the mound

    1PC FO (F9)
    1PC FO (F8)
    1PC FO (F7)

    Got each of the OF some catches.

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    His fastball really plays at the top of the zone, but he's got to throw it for strikes first.
    DallasAg 94
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    Anyone interested in Antoine Kelly:

    4 PC BB <- Pitch zone shows all 4 above the zone
    3 PC SO <- All swinging. In zone.
    1 PC FC <- E1
    1 PC 1B LF
    1 PC S9
    1 PC G5

    No TV, but pitching zones would lead me to believe he was pretty amped up and settled in.

    I'm hoping he can make the Bullpen out of ST.
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    Church Pitching for Rangers:

    1 PC G3
    1 PC LO 5
    1 PC 1B 6
    3 PC SO all swining
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    Kent now pitching for Rangers

    1 PC G3
    3 PC SO all 3 swinging
    4 PC BB
    1 PC F8
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