*****Official 2023-2024 Texas Rangers Off-season Thread*****

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KT 90
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So has it been long enough for someone to take on Bauer without getting rung up by the media? Didn't most of the charges against him eventually prove to be false? He's been in Japan, so I don't recall exactly. I thought he had been struggling over there, but per the below looks like he has figured it out again.


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KT 90 said:

So has it been long enough for someone to take on Bauer without getting rung up by the media? Didn't most of the charges against him eventually prove to be false? He's been in Japan, so I don't recall exactly. I thought he had been struggling over there, but per the below looks like he has figured it out again.




I used to follow his YouTube page pretty frequently. I've always heard how he wasn't a good locker room guy, but the guy doesn't seem as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he's not like a Logan Paul type of guy.

Yeah, I'm 99% sure everything was dropped, I believe it was kind of like a Zeke Elliott type of thing where he was just painted in a bad light so the league and team had to just protect themselves.. I'd be all for him, I do really like the guy. He is incredibly smart when it comes to pitching and mechanics and all of that.
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Id take Bauer in a heartbeat
Mr Gigem
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White jerseys with the World Series patch are available in the team store today
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Mr Gigem said:

White jerseys with the World Series patch are available in the team store today

in person only, or is there an online way to order? I'm an out of towner.
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I believe just in person for now
KT 90
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looks like it. If you go to the TexasRangers.com and take the link to order jersey's, it takes you to mlbshop.com, which only has smaller sizes for a handful of players. I've been checking mlbshop.com pretty frequently.

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Woke up this morning with a different opinion...

I now think that the Ohtani to Rangers idea is not only real, but likely. Do I like it, not exactly, but I don't run the finances for the Rangers. There are some bean-counters out there that say it makes sense and is doable.

We will get some RPs signed, but I don't think it will be Hader. If Ohtani is signed at something like $45MM, a $20MM contract for Hader would nearly strap our ability to make other quality deals. Again, I am not the bean-counter, but at some point logic overrules fantasy.

SPs - As Dallas stated yesterday, Dodgers will be hot on SPs. I predict Snell, Stroman, and Sonny to sign with Dodgers. Yamo to Yankees or Seattle

The rest of off-season will be bland. Not much excitement. The Rangers might trade for a big SP, but I could also see us starting the season with what we have and making mid-season moves for SPs to close the season. Will be similar to this past year, and something tells me that plan worked!
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KT 90 said:

So has it been long enough for someone to take on Bauer without getting rung up by the media? Didn't most of the charges against him eventually prove to be false? He's been in Japan, so I don't recall exactly. I thought he had been struggling over there, but per the below looks like he has figured it out again.



More info came out about the accuser about a month or 2 ago and it's clear it was a setup from the beginning. It was a complete lie. If everything hasn't already been dropped then it will be soon.

We should absolutely make a run at him and any sort of media blow back would be based on complete falsehoods or jealousy that he isn't on an NY or LA team.
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Nobody truly knows how much ownership is willing to spend and how much they are willing to go over luxury tax threshold. There's no cap, so they could literally go sign anyone they want.
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Mr Gigem said:

Nobody truly knows how much ownership is willing to spend and how much they are willing to go over luxury tax threshold. There's no cap, so they could literally go sign anyone they want.
Okay...fine Ohtani, Hader, Monty, and Snell it is
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Bingo Gigem. Also, Caps are a meaningless term most of the time. They are not hard caps, you can pay over and also kick the can down the line continually. Just a way for the leagues to keep salaries in line and give smaller market teams the guise of competitiveness and relevance.
DallasAg 94
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Bauer was mentioned on the radio today and I thought about posting about him, but sometimes I'm concerned I post too much and too often.

A month or two ago Bauer posted a video about the situation. I saw it, because someone posted it on this Forum. Even from the beginning, it smelled like a setup. He discloses he had to clear the NDA stuff associated with case, before presenting his case.

I've liked Bauer and think part of his lockerroom stigma comes from his background. Seems like a guy in HS that was probably dismissed and pushed around. Probably a late-bloomer. I relate to much of what I've heard about his HS experience.

Where we differ is... he went on to make millions in baseball. Oh... and his other "fetishes."

Anyway, he developed a massive chip on his shoulder through HS and people enjoyed putting him down because of it... which fueled his inability to be a good teammate and isolated him socially. Went to UCLA, I believe, and continued with the chip on his shoulder.

Bauer was never validated by those he sought to be validated and it took over his desire to prove how everyone was wrong.

He'll be a good teammate and successful in an environment where he feels appreciated and validated. If he goes to a team that has a frat-type clubhouse, watch out. That includes how the media treats him. He will fail socially in a place like NY/Boston/LA/Chicago.
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He and Seager were teammates in 2021 so if they go that route I'm sure they will get his thoughts. Not sure if Ray Davis will go there but I would have no problem with it.
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cmiller00 said:

He and Seager were teammates in 2021 so if they go that route I'm sure they will get his thoughts. Not sure if Ray Davis will go there but I would have no problem with it.
I forgot about that.

CY has been very clear that the culture they are developing is very important. Bringing in Monty and Scherzer were reliant on Mike Maddux's experience with them.

CY himself brought in Bochy based on their past relationship.

If the Rangers consider signing Bauer, they likely have input from Seager.
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Ohtani and Bauer. I can't imagine two worse ways to spend money and screw up your clubhouse culture. Don't forget that Tito Francona kicked Bauer off the Indians a few years ago too. We aren't a franchise desperate to win at all costs. We don't need to sign Yao Ming to show how internationally relevant we are like the idiot Rockets.

Between Trout and Ohtani, neither has done anything to contribute to a winning culture with LAA. I trust CY and Bochy will make the right decisions.
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If there is a clubhouse that is built to support him and the type of teammate he is, it's ours.

ETA: especially for Pitchers
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Bauer can't be worse than Josh Hamilton, and even with all his side show, he still brought TEX two pennants.

The difference here is TEX doesn't need Bauer (like they needed Hamilton). Sign Bauer to an incentive based deal and if it doesn't work, you cut bait.
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I understand what you are saying, but the problems in LA have nothing to do with Trout or Ohtani. All accounts point to both of those guys being truly amazing humans. LAA's problems were injuries and then everyone else around Trout and Ohtani. I really hope Trout gets traded to a winning team. He deserves to finish his career with playing for something on a competent team and in a good clubhouse.
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Tksymm7 said:

I understand what you are saying, but the problems in LA have nothing to do with Trout or Ohtani. All accounts point to both of those guys being truly amazing humans. LAA's problems were injuries and then everyone else around Trout and Ohtani. I really hope Trout gets traded to a winning team. He deserves to finish his career with playing for something on a competent team and in a good clubhouse.
Does he deserve it? He signed a long term deal with them a few years ago when it was obvious they were a stagnant franchise. You can admire his loyalty to them, perhaps, but he hitched his wagon to a losing culture and people have been questioning his desire to win for years now.

Edit: Is Trout the James Harden of baseball?
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I'd love to have Bauer. A Cy Young type pitcher for what - something just above the MLB minimum?

Part of me wants to see all the "Me Too" people flip out the same way the sexual degenerates flipped out about the Rangers not having a Pride Night.

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WE as baseball fans deserve to watch him play in games that matter; but you are right he did hitch his wagon to a loser by signing that contract. Trout is one of the greatest players in the history of baseball.
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Nevermind, saw your answer about online orders for jerseys.
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Division competition conversation. Where do we stand compared to teams in the division now? Expected off-season improvements for those teams?"

I mentioned the LAAA. Team in shambles. More to come now that they have Wash on board.

Seeing where Astros GM is indicating they won't be big spenders in the off-season unless "the right situation" develops. At the TradeDeadline, that "right situation" was the Rangers getting Scherzer forcing the Astros to keep pace.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/astros-rumors-payroll-space-maldonado-neris-free-agents-outfield.html

Much to the dissatisfaction and negative response from Astros fans... I predicted at the end of the season that they'll start their falloff and 2024 will be questionable about them making the playoffs. It wasn't meant to be provocative, but predictive.

If you look at their 2024, they have $211M Committed and a Tax Payroll of $235M projected for 2024. If that is accurate, they'd be $1.8M below the Luxury Tax. Really that is more a jab... a jab at "buying a team."

Well, their aging team has plenty of holes in 2024 and they don't have a farm system from which to pull talent.

W's and L's fall off quickly in MLB. An injury or two in the rotation and Astros are looking at a 75W season.
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I'm really excited for "Maldonado really wasn't all that good defensively and didn't really handle the staff all that well and wasn't really worth -1.00 ERA" szn.
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You stopped at LAA and Astros...

Oakland - Will not make any major moves and continue to be sub-optimal through 2024.

Seattle - They will make one big move, maybe Yamo, or some other SP. They will make great strides and will compete for the Division in 2024, again.

As you are alluding, Astros are fading quick. I believe the Rangers and Mariners, with their young core and long contracts, will be the competitors of ALW for the next 5+ years.
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shack009 said:

I'm really excited for "Maldonado really wasn't all that good defensively and didn't really handle the staff all that well and wasn't really worth -1.00 ERA" szn.
They'll be begging Maldonado's ghost to appear by the end of the 1st full month.
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Tksymm7 said:

I understand what you are saying, but the problems in LA have nothing to do with Trout or Ohtani. All accounts point to both of those guys being truly amazing humans. LAA's problems were injuries and then everyone else around Trout and Ohtani. I really hope Trout gets traded to a winning team. He deserves to finish his career with playing for something on a competent team and in a good clubhouse.
We have the team leaders in place for years to come in Semien, Seager, and Garcia. Eovaldi, Scherzer, and deGrom on the pitching side. There is such a thing as too many chiefs.

CY needs to find the perfect mix of role players again, along with bullpen help.

By the way, we need to extend Eovaldi. This mofo has a team history that is starting to look like Octavio Dotel and Edwin Jackson. He needs to finish his career in Texas and don't wait until he's UFA. He signed a 2 year $34 million contract? Are you kidding me? $17m? Extenze him . . . .

Boston didn't show him love like he hoped.
https://www.boston.com/sports/morning-sports-update/2023/07/05/nathan-eovaldi-red-sox-free-agent-decision/

We already saw Seager's reaction to the question of why LAD let him walk.
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That sounds good, but for how long and for how much? He will turn 35 next offseason and he already has an injury history (we already have one guy on the team like that).

Love what Eovaldi did for this team this season but that doesn't mean he gets to hold this team hostage for the next 4 years.
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shack009 said:

That sounds good, but for how long and for how much? He will turn 35 next offseason and he already has an injury history (we already have one guy on the team like that).

Love what Eovaldi did for this team this season but that doesn't mean he gets to hold this team hostage for the next 4 years.
His injury history isn't much different from any other SP in MLB today. Other than 2017, going back to 2014, he hasn't missed a ton of starts. Maybe DallasAg can explain what the "Vested" means for 2025.
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South Platte said:


He signed a 2 year $34 million contract? Are you kidding me? $17m? Extenze him . . . .
So, for more clarity, he earned $1.6M in incentives for 2023 (he pitched 144 IP with $750 per 130 & 140.

The Rangers hold a team Option for $20M in 2025. With 300IP in '23-24, it becomes a player option.

I wouldn't be upset if they extended Eovaldi... I don't think the time is now, though.

2024: Scherzer, Heaney, Eovaldi, Gray, Dunning / Bradford, deGrom, White, Leiter

2025: Eovaldi (vesting), Gray, Dunning / Bradford, deGrom, White, Leiter

Also consider, we have:
#4 Brock Porter (eta 2025)
#5 Jack Leiter (mentioned)
#8 Owen White (mentioned)

The following are Rule V eligible:
Dane Acker (24-AA): 18GS, 2.54
Winston Santos (21-A+): 23GS, 6.29
Nick Krauth (23-AAA), 24GS, 6.36
Nick Lockhart (22-A+), 6GS, 3.80

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Yeah those '25 options for Eovaldi are great. Great deal by CY. Dude just pulls the right strings.
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What about ole prodigy Cole Winn? Is he rule 5 by now or possible DFA
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I'm not sure he'll ever pitch in the MLB.
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