Singleton won't be on the roster next year.. I'll be surprised if he's in the big leagues anywhere honestly.
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A few thoughts on the UFA list:
- No Neris. I wonder if his market isn't great.
- If Montero ends up with a bigger contract than Hicks or Lopez, I am going to be pissed.
- The breakdown on Yariel Rodriguez (see below) screams bullpen to me. That is a lot fo projected money for a semi-unknown arm.
- This is the year to load up on SP if you have money. Someone like the Cardinals could go from last to first if they spend.
- I really like this RP market too. I think we can add what we need without breaking the bank.
- I love this line on Jung Hoo Lee;s write up "Lee's carrying tool is his Jedi-esque bat control, which he uses to deflect pitches all over the strike zone to all fields."
- I worry we'll feel the mistakes of the 2022/3 offseason (and 2023 Deadline) and miss out / not willing to spend on some guys who could really make an impact.
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Player Notes
Rodriguez's fastball experienced a nearly three-tick velocity bump in 2022, going from sitting 92-93 mph to sitting 94-96 and touching 100 in a relief capacity for the Chunichi Dragons. The added velocity came with (and was likely because of) a full-time move to the bullpen, and Rodriguez posted a 1.15 ERA in his 54.2 innings. Then Rodriguez pitched for Cuba's 2023 WBC team as a starter. After a rough-looking February tuneup before the actual competition began, he was nasty across 65-70 pitches in each of his two WBC starts, when Yariel sat 95, touched 98, and bent in a good vertical breaking ball in the 83-87 mph range. After his WBC performance, Rodriguez chose to opt out of the 2023 NPB season and focus on training to come to MLB the following year. Chunichi put him on the restricted list and Rodriguez wasn't heard from until October, when he threw live BP for teams in the Dominican Republic and looked like his usual self.
There may be teams that view Rodriguez as a potential MLB starter because of his repertoire depth and brief success in the WBC, but hold your horses. He started across multiple seasons in Japan and wasn't very good; a 2021 FIP near 5.00 prompted a bullpen move the following year. He only came into impact velocity once he moved to the 'pen and there is little evidence that he'd be able to sustain it as a starter, in fact quite the contrary. As a relief candidate, Rodriguez is exciting and has the stuff to pitch in higher-leverage innings. His vertical fastball/breaking ball combo looks similar to Pete Fairbanks' stuff (minus a few ticks of velo) and is on par with the second- or third-best reliever coming out of a contender's bullpen. EL
AgLA06 said:
Contract wise, it seems these are pretty similar in cost. Assuming we don't make a trade and do go FA, which would you prefer and why?
Outside of team fit, I guess it depends on how long we feel it will take for our OF minor league talent to be ready. 1-2 years, 3 years, or 4-5 years.
14. Jung-Hoo Lee, OF, Age 25
Contract Estimate:
- Ben Clemens - 4/60 (15.0)
- Median Crowdsource - 4/52 (13.0)
15. Lourdes Gurriel Jr., OF, Age 30
Contract Estimate:48. Joc Pederson, OF, Age 32
- Ben Clemens - 3/45 (15.0)
- Median Crowdsource - 3/36 (12.0)
Contract Estimate:
- Ben Clemens - 1/12 (12.0)
- Median Crowdsource - 2/24 (12.0)
Pederson is in a different category because he could be had for just 1-2 seasons. If the goal is to win 2024 and save money for other extensions then he's the choice.
If the goal is who helps keep the window open longer, I roll with Lee. He's got some serious risk, but if our scouts like him then I would trust them here. He's basically a cheap Tucker replacement (their games are nothing alike).
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Gurriel doesn't do anything for me. 109 wRC+ over the last 3 years. He's been around a 1.8 WAR player because he's not great on defense or on the bases. His offense isn't good enough to wipe it all away.
Agreed. I never got the fascination with Gurriel. It's probably just the last name.
I originally wanted Gurriel but I've since been convinced that Lee would be the better play.texasaggie2015 said:
Agreed. I never got the fascination with Gurriel. It's probably just the last name.
Does Chandler understand that everybody being black except one guy is the opposite of diverse?EastCoastAgNc said:This would presumably remove Eric Young as a candidate for the Astros’ managerial opening. https://t.co/PyOMG98kiv
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) November 8, 2023
Chandler... did not say that.
Ok wise ass, does Bob Nightengale understand it?texasaggie2015 said:
Chandler... did not say that.
I forgot to click the wink emoji lol. Just messing with you
Do we believe Shohei makes 40MM or 45MM per year? I'm curious to hear y'all's thoughts of if you feel these estimates are right, undervalued, or overvalued.
1. Shohei Ohtani, DH/SP, Age 29
Contract Estimate:
1. Shohei Ohtani, DH/SP, Age 29
Contract Estimate:
- Ben Clemens - 13/527 (40.5)
- Median Crowdsource - 10/450 (45.0)
I am probably in the minority here but I dont think hes worth that.
First, he may not play DH much this year and certainly wont pitch until 2025. And when he is healthy from his 2nd TJ who knows what you will get. He could be JV reincarnated. He could be LMJ. And with 2 TJ surgeries now thats not a stretch to begin that comparison.
If all you get out of him is a DH, hes not worth close to that money.
First, he may not play DH much this year and certainly wont pitch until 2025. And when he is healthy from his 2nd TJ who knows what you will get. He could be JV reincarnated. He could be LMJ. And with 2 TJ surgeries now thats not a stretch to begin that comparison.
If all you get out of him is a DH, hes not worth close to that money.
I agree, i dont see anyone paying 50mil/year...but between 40-45, its going to strap whomever does it but he will get multiple offers and just choose which one he wants to take. It wont be a case of "I have to go here because it is so much more money"
Corbin to the Dodgers. Calling my shot now.
I doubt they are looking to rebuild so something interesting is HB and Peña for Peralta and Adames. Saves them money and they get a lot more control for guys that are basically younger versions of who they are trading. We would get guys a little more proven for a title run.texasaggie2015 said:— B/R Walk-Off (@BRWalkoff) November 9, 2023
I wonder how much Joel Payamps would cost
I am on the Lee bandwagon. Lets get him.
Likewise. I originally wanted Lourdes -- but I'm all-in on Lee.Wabs said:I originally wanted Gurriel but I've since been convinced that Lee would be the better play.texasaggie2015 said:
Agreed. I never got the fascination with Gurriel. It's probably just the last name.
I'm glad we all like Lee but I doubt the Astros send that kind of money.
For a team with Corbin Burns, Brandon Woodruff, Freddy Peralta, & Devin Williams your brain goes to Joel Payamps.texasaggie2015 said:— B/R Walk-Off (@BRWalkoff) November 9, 2023
I wonder how much Joel Payamps would cost
My brain goes to who can be realistically acquired
Yesterday we were asking about LuBob & Cease.
And I meant my last comment as a compliment.
And I meant my last comment as a compliment.
I'm a dork. What can I say
Whit Sox on SS:
Here is a recent Fangraphs blurb on him this fall.
I think it is safe to say the White Sox are in the market for a SS of the future.
40 HRs from LuBob will make me forget the million-dollar smile and trillion-dollar triceps.
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I am not sure he's on track for 2024 debut. He has a grand total of 167 PA in AA and 0 in AAA. He's only entering his age-22 season.Quote:
For the first time in seven years, the White Sox appear likely to head into a season with someone other than Tim Anderson penciled in as their primary shortstop. The Sox bought out Anderson's $14MM club option, and while a potential reunion isn't entirely off the table, Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times writes that new GM Chris Getz is looking for a veteran option with good defensive skills who can be signed on a short-term deal. The idea would be for that veteran pickup to serve as a bridge to top prospect Colson Montgomery, who's on track to make his MLB debut at some point in 2024.
Here is a recent Fangraphs blurb on him this fall.
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Other Shortstops Analyzed
White Sox prospect Colson Montgomery is a pretty firm and clear "no" at shortstop, though I suppose you could argue he looks the way he does because he spent most of 2023 on the shelf with oblique and back issues, which may still be impacting his mobility. Most of what Montgomery is doing on defense happens too slowly, and runners end up safe on otherwise routine plays. His hands and range are both comfortably below average, and 21-year-olds this size rarely stick at short. He's obviously a great prospect because of his bat, but the notion that Montgomery is the second coming of Corey Seager in all respects is false.
I think it is safe to say the White Sox are in the market for a SS of the future.
40 HRs from LuBob will make me forget the million-dollar smile and trillion-dollar triceps.
Montgomery can flat rake so I'm a little surprised given their situation they don't just ride with him. Hell I would trade Pena for Montgomery straight up and ride with Dubon at SS until he's ready.
I'm not understanding "star-studded"EastCoastAgNc said:This would presumably remove Eric Young as a candidate for the Astros’ managerial opening. https://t.co/PyOMG98kiv
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) November 8, 2023
Chili Davis - 3x All-Star, 3x WS champion
Torii Hunter - 5x All-Star, 9x GG, 3x Silver Slugger
Eric Young, Sr - 1x All-Star, 1x Silver Slugger, almost 500 stolen bases
Clint Hurdle - Former manager of the year and won the pennant with the Rockies
Lots of accolades for sure
Torii Hunter - 5x All-Star, 9x GG, 3x Silver Slugger
Eric Young, Sr - 1x All-Star, 1x Silver Slugger, almost 500 stolen bases
Clint Hurdle - Former manager of the year and won the pennant with the Rockies
Lots of accolades for sure
I'm not against moving Pena, but who plays SS in his absence? I don't see Dubon taking that role.
Likely Kessinger. They like his glove and he has good plate discipline. He won't be anything more than a 8 or 9 hole hitter... but if you can stack your lineup 1-8 that's fine. He can't be worse than Maldy.
Kessinger? Why don't we see if Adam Everett is still available? They're the same player.
I would take Adam Everett as my 9-hole hitter every day of the week if 1-8 is strong
What do we think the chances are of Hensley rediscovering gold and doing something in 2024
When did everyone get so soft?
Dusty Baker mentioned “bloggers and tweeters” as one of the reasons for retiring.@_JeremyBooth says rest of league is watching & that 'group' may hurt the Astros' ability to hire good baseball people.
— Jason Bristol (@JBristolKHOU) November 9, 2023
New Extra Bases podcast:
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"Some of you celebrated it," Booth says of Dusty's comments about retiring. pic.twitter.com/3MrlGZbrW7
— Jason Bristol (@JBristolKHOU) November 9, 2023
I think his ceiling is utility infielder coming off the bench
Since TOFA stopped
I agree. Sadly this year he was far far inferior at that. I more mean do we think he regains that ability to be our first super utility after doobie or has Grey passed him and not looking back.
I'd think at the peak of what they have shown Hensley had the better bat
I'd think at the peak of what they have shown Hensley had the better bat
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