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We need to extender TED. Pay the man.
So hypothetical for y'all
If the Rangers had won the last game of the regular season, which gives them the division. How far do we make it?
That would have put us on their track of playing at Tampa, then against Baltimore in the ALDS and playing Texas without homefield advantage
If the Rangers had won the last game of the regular season, which gives them the division. How far do we make it?
That would have put us on their track of playing at Tampa, then against Baltimore in the ALDS and playing Texas without homefield advantage
Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
So that begs the question- was Dusty behind the decline in performance for Framber and Javi this past season?
Certainly agree....pitching is much, much more important in the postseason. I think the whole pitching staff was pretty much gassed and it showed.Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
texasaggie2015 said:
And you're still going at it claiming I'm wrong lol
I'm going to say it one last time and I'll drop it. Out of everything I've said here, I'm most confident about this. The FO 1000% had significant input. It doesn't mean they're going to do what a message board wants them to do. It doesn't mean their moves will always make sense.
Sometimes they may have to compromise. Sometimes they might know things we don't. Sometimes they may defer to the pitching staff because they don't want to hurt the chemistry.
I don't know. But I do know they had significant input and they'll continue to have significant input not only in the postseason but I believe we'll see it more in the regular season as well.
Dusty Baker was a good hire to get us out of the dark place we were in at the time. He never meshed well with the FO and the way they make their decisions. They butt heads often. Brighter days are ahead.
I'm not ever going to reveal who my source is. I hope you don't actually expect me to do that. I will say I worked a long time in a really cool industry that allowed me to make a lot of connections across sports- some of which are the ones I get my Astros info from still to this day.
I enjoy and appreciate your insight. Please keep it up
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
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tjack16 said:
So hypothetical for y'all
If the Rangers had won the last game of the regular season, which gives them the division. How far do we make it?
That would have put us on their track of playing at Tampa, then against Baltimore in the ALDS and playing Texas without homefield advantage
No way to know. Based on how TB & BAL performed, we should have been able to beat them. But who knows.
IMO it had more to do with them pitching deep into multiple postseasons in a row (short offseasons) and the injuries to LMJ and Garcia (combined w not having JV first half of the year + Urquidy missing a long stretch).TarponChaser said:Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
So that begs the question- was Dusty behind the decline in performance for Framber and Javi this past season?
We didn't have the luxury of being able to shelf either of them in August when they clearly needed it.
Farmer1906 said:tjack16 said:
So hypothetical for y'all
If the Rangers had won the last game of the regular season, which gives them the division. How far do we make it?
That would have put us on their track of playing at Tampa, then against Baltimore in the ALDS and playing Texas without homefield advantage
No way to know. Based on how TB & BAL performed, we should have been able to beat them. But who knows.
I tend to think we still would have ultimately fell short in the ALCS. But it might have been a more enjoyable ride getting 2 series wins instead of the weird Twins series
2015 I rarely post on here but I like coming in here and enjoy reading your posts, really distracts me from the annoying kids I deal with everyday! Hahah keep them coming!
Also, the years Stros won it all, HISD was closed, the suburbs where I teach, classes were practically empty. They counted the parade as an "excused absence." I was literally planning to say screw it and go this year hopefully next year they win it all again and I actually attend.
Also, the years Stros won it all, HISD was closed, the suburbs where I teach, classes were practically empty. They counted the parade as an "excused absence." I was literally planning to say screw it and go this year hopefully next year they win it all again and I actually attend.
Being gassed as a pitcher didnt cause his complete mental breakdown after throwing 7 pitches in game 2. And thats all it to to completely unhinge him.Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
1. Single under Pena
2. blooper to no mans land behind Bregman
3-6, 2 balls, 2 strikes
7. dribbler he didnt field to get Semien at 3B who was dead, and then he airmailed it to Beaumont for 2 run double error.
And he was done. He's lost it, changing shoes, probably changing glove, socks and underwear and lighting candles in his locker between innings. He's hearing who knows what voices in his head at that point.
A complete mental collapse.
By the end I had become a big Dusty critic... but I'm done caring about that now. I wish him nothing but the best in retirement and I'm grateful for his leadership, the "cover" he provided when it was most needed (2020-21), and the World Series championship he helped deliver last season.htxag09 said:
I mean at this point it is what it is. I understand this board has an obsession with criticizing Dusty, but he's gone. We'll have to fill that void with something else.
Furthermore, I don't really care anymore how much/little influence Dusty and the FO had over postseason lineups either, as my focus has turned to excitement about getting a new manager. I'd like to see us go with a younger guy more in line with the analytics-driven model that catapulted us to the top of Baseball Mountain.
Fatigue can be mental and physical
Even with all of that, they were still in the game. Bats couldn't even hit a beach ball while playing at MMP
Even with all that.....we had several hard hit balls and were just unlucky as hell in a lot of scenarios. Look at game 2 of the ALCS. Hardest hit ball of the first inning was an out that Tucker hit. Rangers had, I think, 1 hard hit ball in the first inning but scored 4 rusn. Pretty sure our xBA was higher than the Rangers that game._veeyah_ said:
Even with all of that, they were still in the game. Bats couldn't even hit a beach ball while playing at MMP
I think it was game 1, but look at Bregman's long fly out to LF that resulted in a DP.
Yeah, we still had ample opportunities we missed. But a couple of those breaks go our way and we forget about all those guys left on base....
Mathguy64 said:Being gassed as a pitcher didnt cause his complete mental breakdown after throwing 7 pitches in game 2. And thats all it to to completely unhinge him.Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
1. Single under Pena
2. blooper to no mans land behind Bregman
3-6, 2 balls, 2 strikes
7. dribbler he didnt field to get Semien at 3B who was dead, and then he airmailed it to Beaumont for 2 run double error.
And he was done. He's lost it, changing shoes, probably changing glove, socks and underwear and lighting candles in his locker between innings. He's hearing who knows what voices in his head at that point.
A complete mental collapse.
Valdez needs to book a flight to West Palm on January 2nd and spend a month fielding bunts and throwing accurately to first base before camp ever starts.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
tjack16 said:
So hypothetical for y'all
If the Rangers had won the last game of the regular season, which gives them the division. How far do we make it?
That would have put us on their track of playing at Tampa, then against Baltimore in the ALDS and playing Texas without homefield advantage
tjack, I thought you'd gone over to the dark side with all the backslapping you've done on the rivalry thread.
(haha)
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
Might as well cut the mop off as well.
Deluxe said:
Fatigue can be mental and physical
If that's his mental position before the game he should have been hospitalized for exhaustion and never sent out there.
Yes mental fatigue is real. I don't for an instant think that's what happened. Anything that remotely goes wrong sets him off. A bad play in the field. An unlucky bounce. A bad call by blue. You name it and it's in his head. The pitch clock was already in his head all season like a ticking time bomb.
He got a bad play in the field and one pitch later a fluke hit. You could see it in his eyes by the second pitch. Tye second of the game. He's like "**** what's going to happen next?" And the ball found him like he was a ball magnet. Bobble. Airmail. Boom.
I actually think the ASG deal got to him. He wanted that start and Dusty didn't give it. So he pouted and didn't show up and now that's in his head.
Marvin said:Mathguy64 said:Being gassed as a pitcher didnt cause his complete mental breakdown after throwing 7 pitches in game 2. And thats all it to to completely unhinge him.Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
1. Single under Pena
2. blooper to no mans land behind Bregman
3-6, 2 balls, 2 strikes
7. dribbler he didnt field to get Semien at 3B who was dead, and then he airmailed it to Beaumont for 2 run double error.
And he was done. He's lost it, changing shoes, probably changing glove, socks and underwear and lighting candles in his locker between innings. He's hearing who knows what voices in his head at that point.
A complete mental collapse.
Valdez needs to book a flight to West Palm on January 2nd and spend a month fielding bunts and throwing accurately to first base before camp ever starts.
The thing is, for most of the season he was much better at that. But when he unraveled that got in his head and he reverted to form.
Yea you're right, after those first 2 games I was like there's no way we're winning this series, rangers are getting all the lucky breaks...but then they reeled me back in when they went to Arlington. This was such a frustrating series....season.
Tell them they can get off early for the 12 p.m. parade by coming to work at 4 a.m.mAgnoliAg said:
Work group text all asking to be off tomorrow. I told them: " damn if y'all are cancelling school for a team you haven't cared about in 8 years, I can only imagine what y'all would do if the cowboys won the Super Bowl."
Free-agent pitcher Sean Newcomb and the Oakland A’s are in agreement on a contract, according to a source familiar with the deal.
— Robert Murray (@ByRobertMurray) November 2, 2023
Texas would have lost because the Twins would have weaponized Joey Gallo and he would have gone 17 for 45 in the series with 17 solo home runs and 28 strikeouts.tjack16 said:
So hypothetical for y'all
If the Rangers had won the last game of the regular season, which gives them the division. How far do we make it?
That would have put us on their track of playing at Tampa, then against Baltimore in the ALDS and playing Texas without homefield advantage
I still think it ends up us and Rangers in the ALCS, and I'd have preferred to be the away team for obvious reasons.
Doesn't matter now - could of /should of…
We just need to stay focused and get right back to the ALCS next year, and beat whoever faces us. I don't buy the Rangers getting there again.
Doesn't matter now - could of /should of…
We just need to stay focused and get right back to the ALCS next year, and beat whoever faces us. I don't buy the Rangers getting there again.
And what makes it so much stranger is that Framber should have been prepared mentally more than most. Just last season he was the winning pitcher (and lights out) in a championship winning game 6.Mathguy64 said:Deluxe said:
Fatigue can be mental and physical
If that's his mental position before the game he should have been hospitalized for exhaustion and never sent out there.
Yes mental fatigue is real. I don't for an instant think that's what happened. Anything that remotely goes wrong sets him off. A bad play in the field. An unlucky bounce. A bad call by blue. You name it and it's in his head. The pitch clock was already in his head all season like a ticking time bomb.
He got a bad play in the field and one pitch later a fluke hit. You could see it in his eyes by the second pitch. Tye second of the game. He's like "**** what's going to happen next?" And the ball found him like he was a ball magnet. Bobble. Airmail. Boom.
I actually think the ASG deal got to him. He wanted that start and Dusty didn't give it. So he pouted and didn't show up and now that's in his head.
Marvin said:tjack16 said:
So hypothetical for y'all
If the Rangers had won the last game of the regular season, which gives them the division. How far do we make it?
That would have put us on their track of playing at Tampa, then against Baltimore in the ALDS and playing Texas without homefield advantage
tjack, I thought you'd gone over to the dark side with all the backslapping you've done on the rivalry thread.
(haha)
Hell nah. I'm still pissed, but taking the "congratulatory" path has helped with the coping.
Come opening day 2024 I'll be back to trash talk and chest pumping.
Or just learn to NOT throw it anywhere if he has to field it.
Just eat it. Or in his native tongue...Cometelo La Grasa
It's less damage to just stuff it in your pocket and go get the next guy especially with ground ball rate and the DP possibility with a man on 1st.
Just eat it. Or in his native tongue...Cometelo La Grasa
It's less damage to just stuff it in your pocket and go get the next guy especially with ground ball rate and the DP possibility with a man on 1st.
Didn't mean to bring up Framber so as to speculate why he struggled in the 2H of the season and the playoffs. It's not a particularly interesting topic to me. Fans can hypothesize whatever.
I was more just making the reasonably objective observation that the Astros setup to win many seven game series when he goes 0-2.
I also don't want to pile on a guy who's come up big for us so many times since 2020 and was a huge key to our title run last year. I'm happy to extend him the greatest amount of benefit-of-the-doubt possible and hopefully he gets it back on track next year.
I was more just making the reasonably objective observation that the Astros setup to win many seven game series when he goes 0-2.
I also don't want to pile on a guy who's come up big for us so many times since 2020 and was a huge key to our title run last year. I'm happy to extend him the greatest amount of benefit-of-the-doubt possible and hopefully he gets it back on track next year.
Better watch it with the talk of our guys were tired from pitching deep into postseasons year after year and logging career highs in innings. Rangers fan will laugh at you for that reasoning, and claim you say that's the only reason the Astros lost this year..Deluxe said:IMO it had more to do with them pitching deep into multiple postseasons in a row (short offseasons) and the injuries to LMJ and Garcia (combined w not having JV first half of the year + Urquidy missing a long stretch).TarponChaser said:Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
So that begs the question- was Dusty behind the decline in performance for Framber and Javi this past season?
We didn't have the luxury of being able to shelf either of them in August when they clearly needed it.
agproducer said:Better watch it with the talk of our guys were tired from pitching deep into postseasons year after year and logging career highs in innings. Rangers fan will laugh at you for that reasoning, and claim you say that's the only reason the Astros lost this year..Deluxe said:IMO it had more to do with them pitching deep into multiple postseasons in a row (short offseasons) and the injuries to LMJ and Garcia (combined w not having JV first half of the year + Urquidy missing a long stretch).TarponChaser said:Deluxe said:
But even with Tucker's slump, we still get through if Framber out-duels Eovaldi in either g2 or g6. Offensive guys come and go in the playoffs. Framber has been our rock in October. He was just gassed this year.
So that begs the question- was Dusty behind the decline in performance for Framber and Javi this past season?
We didn't have the luxury of being able to shelf either of them in August when they clearly needed it.
I'll respect their opinions more on the subject when they play deep into October seven years in a row
plus damage, above avg swing deicisons, plus EVs and hangs with tough pitching, discipline doesn’t just go away at age 31, skills are all fairly stable, I’m all the way in on a 115 wRC+ in the 7 hole behind Chas for 2024 👍 pic.twitter.com/e0sxb7mYS6
— Ben (@midzee4) November 2, 2023
The two-year contract, worth $24 million, is through the 2025 season. The deal includes a $10 million club option for 2026, the team announced.
— FOX Sports: MLB (@MLBONFOX) November 2, 2023
If we want a platoon lefty LF then why not just sign Joc? Seems easier than a trade for Verdugo, specifically given our limited trade assets.
Save money. Plus you'd have to convince Joc. He may be happy in SF.
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